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From: Ted Husted <husted@apache.org>
To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:31:32 -0400
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In-Reply-To: <NBBBJGEAGJAKLIDBKJOPCECILGAB.noel@devtech.com>
Subject: RE: Incubation of iBATIS Data Mapper
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On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 00:15:22 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>=A0And you might want to talk with our DB project and see what interest also=
 comes from there.

It's true that we are all database/data persistence technologies, but, in my=
 experience, there is much more to an Apache product than technology. My own=
 concern as to db.apache.org would be scope. 

* PMC Scope 

We have six members of Team iBATIS, working on either the Java or .NET=
 version, or both. Our initial expectation would be that all six would=
 become the iBATIS PMC. As it stands, there are currently five members of=
 the DB PMC overseeing four products, with over thirty committers. So, we=
 would either have to skew the PMC:Committer ratio or amend our=
 expectations. :) 

* Product scope

We have two iBATIS.NET implementations now, Java and .NET, and some of us=
 considering a PHP implementation as well. We also plan to found a=
 specification subproject to define the iBATIS baseline for each=
 implementation. With three subprojects, and a possible fourth, it seems=
 that the iBATIS scope is broad enough to support a top-level project.

* Community scope 

The iBATIS Java community does have a lot of crossover with the Jakarta=
 community. The implementation uses Jakarta products, and many iBATIS=
 developers use Jakarta products in their applications too. But, I do not=
 sense a lot of crossover with the db.apache.org community. As it stands, we=
 probably have more crossover with the Hibernate community. Many of us have=
 used both Hibernate and iBATIS for different products at the same time.=
 Though, OJB and Hibernate have much in common, so if we  were more closely=
 aligned, we could see more crossover between those Java communities. Of=
 course, aside from Java, iBATIS also has a .NET community, and may develop=
 a PHP community as well.  

Given these concerns, we thought it might be best to start the discussion=
 here, and get some feedback from the Incubator community, before making a=
 proposal. 

Of course, at the end of the day, I believe we care more about being a=
 member of House Apache than in which room we hang our hat :) 

-Ted.


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