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From "Ashish Srivastava" <ashish.srivast...@daffodildb.com>
Subject Re: Making Daffodil Replicator an Open Source : Suggestion
Date Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:36:31 GMT
Dear members,

Please find attached our thoughts.

>I find this rather confusing. One of the criteria for exiting
> incubation is a *diverse* set of committers - i.e. an appropriate
> proportion of Daffodil "for-pay" developers but also non-Daffodil
> folks. If your idea of the original number of committers (coming with
> the donation of the project) varies between 3 and 30, I'm rather
> suspicious about who you consider to be a committer. Having no idea of
> the size of your codebase and your operations, I can tell you that the
> usual initial set of committers of other projects hardly ever surpasses
> 5 to 8 folks, and the rest will need to be voted in using common ASF
> procedures. You as a commercial entity have no control over this other
> than what is to be expected in a community project, and the Incubator
> will check whether you are following ASF guidelines.

Noel, I think that there has been some confusion. The number and profile of
committers will be decided by ASF. All we can assure is that we will try to
have as many developers / contributors working on the project. Some of them
might be on a 'paid' basis, while some might come from our alumni, which
currently numbers over 400. We dont know (as of now) how many there will be,
however all we can say is that we will try and motivate as many people as we
can.

> To give you an idea about what is decent to add to an ASF distribution,
> have a look at the Cocoon CREDITS:
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/cocoon/trunk/CREDITS.txt?
> rev=30946&root=Apache-SVN&view=markup

Thanks for the above info.

> Apart from such a file, it will be hard to find other attributions in
> the Cocoon codebase linkable to a specific single commercial entity,
> since having these would carry a false sense of ownership over the code
> or project. Of course, our license permits repackaging and
> redistribution, so you could always redistribute a more commercially
> labeled version of the code through your own website, perhaps with some
> value-added services, bearing in mind that the ASF license requires you
> to link back to us as the originators of the code.

I understand that this would mean that the ownership of Replicator would lie
with ASF, and Daffodil (like anyone else) would be free to 'redistribute a
more commercially labeled version of the code through your own website,
perhaps with some value-added services, bearing in mind that the ASF license
requires you  to link back to us as the originators of the code.' Is my
understanding correct?

> Basically, Daffodil becomes Apache Daffodil, and it is up to you to
> build a business model around this publicly available ASF project, but
> the ASF will not serve as a "daffodil.org" entity alongside your
> "daffodil.com". I hope I'm making myself clear here. You *will* be
> relinquishing control up to the level that you carefully need to check
> whether this is what you want.

Point taken.

> Another common issue is the inclusion of non-ASL licensed dependencies.
> The ASF currently has a policy of not redistributing LGPL/GPL-licensed
> code. Does your project depends on such code? Also, is there any way to
> assess what you are planning to donate?

No, our Replicator does not incorporate *any* LGPL/GPL-licensed code. We
would be more than willing to provide you with a link on our website, which
would give you access to the Replicator code.

> Lastly, I would seriously recommend you to approach the db.apache.org
> project as well, which might help you to recruit some sponsors and/or
> interested developers.

Thanks a lot for your advice Noel. We will be looking to the db.apache.org
project for sponsors and / or developers. We will also be starting a fresh
thread on this address, to understand what could / should / would be the
business model for Daffodil Software (based upon a possible commercial fork
of
Replicator.)

Best,
Ashish

> HTH,
>
> </Steven>
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