Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 5584 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 13:27:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 13:27:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 34438 invoked by uid 500); 23 Jul 2004 13:26:58 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 34335 invoked by uid 500); 23 Jul 2004 13:26:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: no List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 34304 invoked by uid 99); 23 Jul 2004 13:26:57 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_24_48 X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [195.130.132.44] (HELO poros.telenet-ops.be) (195.130.132.44) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:26:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by poros.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 2977E3BC0EE for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:26:53 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (D5E0AAF7.kabel.telenet.be [213.224.170.247]) by poros.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42CE3BC0EB for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:26:52 +0200 (MEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7F422CE1-DBAC-11D8-B425-000A958B684A@outerthought.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steven Noels Subject: Re: several messages Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:58:12 +0200 To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On 14 Jul 2004, at 16:58, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > One is an older one that > is not from a big company, and is seemingly and finally starting to get > squared away. The other one is a recent submission that more closely > fits > your description, and concerns have been raised to the contributor > about it. This was a lovely discussion to read - unfortunately I wasn't able to participate due to intermittent, read-only mail access. Perhaps also a hint towards Brian's feelings about evolving discussion styles: could we name things here? I see reference to specific "projects" but cannot/don't want to name-guess. For the record: I resonate with much of Brian's worries, unfortunately in real life all of this might boil down to case-by-case judgements by hopefully well-informed mentors or ASF peeps, rather than following a policy checklist that anyone can implement. And I think this is the gist of the Incubator: actual folks reasoning about case-by-case decisions as history unfolds. And the fact that BigCo is discovering the need for an open source strategy, and regards the ASF as an ideal platform for this, will confront us with the need to have a good intersection of ASF folks dealing with incubation directly, rather than reasoning about incubation rules in general. -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org