Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 69820 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2004 00:08:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 15 Jun 2004 00:08:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 41641 invoked by uid 500); 15 Jun 2004 00:09:01 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 41343 invoked by uid 500); 15 Jun 2004 00:08:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: no List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 41325 invoked by uid 99); 15 Jun 2004 00:08:59 -0000 Received: from [63.96.162.5] (HELO ussjmh01.bea.com) (63.96.162.5) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:08:59 -0700 Received: from ussjfe02.amer.bea.com (ussjfe02b.bea.com [172.16.120.56]) by ussjmh01.bea.com (Switch-3.0.5/Switch-3.0.0) with ESMTP id i5F08T8F010657 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:08:29 -0700 Received: from USSEEX01.amer.bea.com ([172.17.64.15]) by ussjfe02.amer.bea.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:08:28 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: The 50% Rule Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:08:28 -0700 Message-ID: <4C2F1577F2EF2840A9AE9EC61860C881976B8A@usseex01.amer.bea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The 50% Rule Thread-Index: AcRSY8H5RgI0Fhj6T1u1HhbiEqyj6QACEPBg From: "Cliff Schmidt" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2004 00:08:28.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2E599A0:01C4526C] X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Leo Simons wrote on Monday, June 14, 2004 4:01 PM: > Cliff Schmidt wrote: >> The more quantitative it is, the more a new project can know what >> they have ahead of them and the less familiarity with the project's >> community is required to cast an informed vote on graduation (just >> look up the numbers). >=20 > I know an example or two of unhealthy communites where all the numbers > look just fine. Its just not possible to decide these things based on > numbers. People interactions are only "measurable" on a statistical > scale, which we don't have. I completely agree; this is exactly what I'm concerned with. I was just = trying to (in case this wasn't clear to anyone) describe two different=20 approaches to the problem. The other approach: Cliff Schmidt wrote: > The less quantitative the rules are, the more > room the voting members have to consider the "know it when you see > it" view of the community. is necessary to some extent, IMO. Hence my suggestion that: > Personally, I'd like to see one or two quantitative rules (such as one > about independent committers to allow for vetoes) and then leave the > rest up to a voting body that will evaluate graduation against some > general guidelines. =20 Cliff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org