From general-return-3612-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Jun 11 21:55:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 17070 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 21:55:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 21:55:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 24977 invoked by uid 500); 11 Jun 2004 21:55:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 24731 invoked by uid 500); 11 Jun 2004 21:55:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: no List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 24709 invoked by uid 99); 11 Jun 2004 21:55:18 -0000 Received: from [81.174.11.87] (HELO adina.local) (81.174.11.87) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:55:18 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adina.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0006C3B3990 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:54:43 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <42AEFE34-BBB4-11D8-9332-000A958B684A@outerthought.org> References: <42AEFE34-BBB4-11D8-9332-000A958B684A@outerthought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gianugo Rabellino Subject: Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:54:43 +0200 To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Jun 11, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Steven Noels wrote: > >> What is your take on the readiness of Lenya to leave the Incubator, >> and on >> the question of putting out a milestone? Just as a reminder, the >> distribution would have to be tagged as an incubator distribution, >> not an >> ASF release. > > (soapbox-mode) > > My take is that - at last, and pushed forward primarily by the group > of non-Wyona, newbie committers - the urgent need for release and exit > has been recognized and is in the process of being addressed > adequately. For one reason or another, this has never been pushed > forward by the original donators, but now, the momentum has changed to > a positive effect. > > All this being considered, I'm +1 on release and consecutively exit > from the incubator. > > I'll be carefully looking after ASF brand abuse however in the > forthcoming months. This entire incubation episode has left me with > dubious feelings: for a long time, I've been thinking that Lenya would > be a sad example of premature ASF donation. Uhm, I'm a bit at loss here: how could you suggest an incubator exit *AND* warn against potential brand abuse talking about dubious feelings? If there are any problems (sorry, I don't know Lenya enough to go beyond belly thoughts, so I won't state my inaccurate position here), shouldn't they be faced _inside_ the incubator? (which brings me to something that I've been wondering for a long time: I understand that incubation has two possible exit codes, but do you *really* envision any project being kicked off the ASF? I could envision a project deciding not to go any further and fail voluntarily incubation, but I just can't imagine the incubator kicking people/projects out. Hmmm... yeah, I should just STFU since I basically don't know a thing about the incubation process, I assume you guys have been through this) Ciao, -- Gianugo Rabellino Pro-netics s.r.l. - http://www.pro-netics.com Orixo, the XML business alliance: http://www.orixo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org