On 14 Jun 2004, at 12:02, Michael Wechner wrote:

> Steven Noels wrote:
>
>> Lenya has an awkward history IMHO. It has been force-fed into the 
>> bowls of the ASF upon the idea that a community was more important 
>> than code, and because of pet-peeves of people: the ASF needed a CMS 
>> project, and Lenya would be a community seed for that - regardless of 
>> the community aptness to serve as one. The original Lenya folks were 
>> clueless about the Apache Open Source Way, but felt so much "invited" 
>> into the ASF that they figured they were doing a good job. The 
>> original number of committers was bloated, and their communication 
>> about the incubation status of Lenya was tendencious at best. Wyona 
>> didn't do a great job at opening up the project to the outside world 
>> (other than dumping code into public CVS), and there wasn't much 
>> direction or shared project ownership.
>
>
> well, I think it was and is quite different, but it doesn't make sense 
> to argue about perceptions.

Of course not, and I hope I've been careful enough to talk only from my 
own private perception - something I can and will not change even if I 
know the people behind the voices on the mailing lists. And as you 
acknowledge, I have seen plenty of change during the recent months, 
something I am very happy about.

> I am very optimistic on this, but I guess you know that ;-)

I am happy to see you happy. :-)

</Steven>
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