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From "Marinschek Martin" <Martin.Marinsc...@oekb.at>
Subject RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
Date Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:17:39 GMT
Thank you for the explanation and the offer, Cliff!

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Schmidt [mailto:cliff@bea.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 3:05 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?


BTW, I should probably point out that I'm not a member of the 
Incubator PMC, just a guy who's been through this process and 
cares about making it easier.

So, take this as my opinion based on experience and 
interpretation of the policy documents -- not an official 
PMC answer.

Cliff


Cliff Schmidt wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:01 PM:

> I certainly understand your concern here, Martin.  According to our 
> current Incubator policy document 
> (http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Release
> s%0A),
> for an incubating project to create a release: 
> 
> 1. the release archive MUST contain the word "incubating" in the
> filename; and
> 
> 2. the release archive MUST contain an Incubation disclaimer, clearly 
> visible in the main documentation or README file. (the disclaimer text 
> can be found at 
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Branding
> %0A).
> 
> With these two basic requirements met, the Incubator PMC must still 
> vote to approve the release, but as you can see from the currently 
> running vote on the Lenya 1.2 distribution, most PMC members agree 
> with the making it easy for new projects to release early and often. 
> There's also a structure called a PPMC that will allow one vote to 
> cover all project committers plus the Incubator PMC.
> 
> So, while I don't think it could quite be considered "a right", I 
> don't think you will have a problem with this if you follow the two 
> basic requirements and, of course, ensure that all intellectual 
> property in the distribution is properly licensed.
> 
> Should you end up at Apache, I'd be happy to help you with any of 
> these release process issues.
> 
> Cliff
> 
> 
> Marinschek Martin wrote on Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:50 PM:
> 
>> Ok, I have started filling out the proposal and requested some help 
>> from the other MyFaces-members, maybe we will need some more time to 
>> polish it up, but it should be not too bad at the moment; however, I 
>> have left out the technical stuff so far.
>> 
>> Another question: The release policy is causing me headaches - as 
>> soon as we enter incubation, we are not allowed to release anymore 
>> except on "permission"; but our policy has always been to release 
>> early and often - what could we do about that, given that incubation 
>> time could last for some time and we had two releases (1.0.3 and
>> 1.0.4) last month? Would that permission be a thing we would have to 
>> fight for or almost a "granted right" ;) - if we otherwise keep to 
>> the rules? If it is not, I am sure there will be some frictions 
>> coming up...
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:noel@devtech.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:40 PM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Anyone wants to incubate MyFaces?
>> 
>> 
>> Martin,
>> 
>> Please see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BeehiveProposal as a 
>> model, and prepare a similar one for MyFaces.  It appears that there 
>> is sufficient interest, and I am prepared to call for a vote to 
>> incubate it.
>> 
>> I've created an outline page for you to start: 
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal
>> 
>> Existing ASF Committers interested in participating, please add 
>> yourselves down in the sponsoring area, just to register your 
>> interest in helping.
>> 
>> 	--- Noel
>> 
>> 
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