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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 15:00:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nemi Singh <nemisingh@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: TLPs, Incubation, and the Board (was RE: [PROPOSAL] Beehive)
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Hi Schmidt,
I would like to actively participate on this project.
I am new to this forum..Just wondering how can I start
contributing to it. would you please throw some
pointers.

thanks a bunch,
Nemi.

--- Cliff Schmidt <cliff@bea.com> wrote:
> Cliff Schmidt wrote on Monday, May 17, 2004 7:30 PM:
> 
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote on Monday, May 17, 2004 6:10
> PM:
> <snip/>
> >>> Since the project is being proposed as a TLP
> with three subprojects,
> >>> I've requested that the Board consider this
> proposal at their next
> >>> meeting.  However, it is my understanding that
> the proposal should
> >>> first be voted on by the Incubator PMC.
> >> 
> >> As I understand it, there is no real need for the
> Board to consider
> >> it until there is a proposal at the end of
> Incubation for it to
> >> become a TLP.  In the meantime, it is the
> Incubator's responsibility.
> > 
> > That's fine with me, but it seems slightly
> different from my
> > understanding of the outcome of some of the
> lengthy incubator
> > discussions we had towards the end of the year. 
> I'll start another
> > thread on this, because it's not significant for
> this proposal, but
> > I do think we should make sure all our docs are
> saying the right
> > thing.
> 
> I've listed a bunch of history and current docs
> below, but I'll
> start with my view of the right way to do this:
> 
> I really like the PPMC concept.  To get the most out
> of a PPMC,
> I think the Podling should, if at all possible, know
> what TLP
> it is destined for or if it is expected to become a
> TLP itself.
> I think this will help with composing the PPMC with
> the right 
> people, as well as knowing which project's charter
> would make 
> sense to follow...or if the project should start
> working on its 
> own charter (rather than waiting until exiting
> incubation).
> 
> Therefore, I suggest that we treat potential TLPs
> the same
> as all other projects with one exception: the Board
> still needs
> to vote for the TLP resolution upon exiting
> incubation; but that
> should be a technicality if all goes well.  Like
> other projects, 
> potential TLPs could either start with a Sponsor or
> use the 
> Incubator as a temporary Sponsor (especially since
> waiting for
> the Board to agree to sponsor means getting tied to
> a monthly
> meeting schedule).  However, shortly after entering
> Incubation, 
> I think it is best if a TLP has gotten the Board to
> agree that
> it approves of the project as a TLP and expects to
> vote for
> an applicable resolution upon successful incubation.
> -------------------------
> and now, for anyone interested in what our docs
> currently 
> state:
> 
> See the first two paragraphs in Acceptance (to
> becoming a 
> Podling) section of the Process doc:
>
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html#Acceptance
> 
> and the Proposal section of the Policy document:
>
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Proposal%0A
> 
> and from 
>
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Sponsor:
> "A Sponsor will be one of:
> - The Board of the Apache Software Foundation. In
> this case, it is 
> expected that the candidate would become a TLP on
> successful 
> completion of Incubation."
> 
> According to
>
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html#Currently+Incubating,
> Geronimo and SpamAssassin are sponsored by the
> "Incubator PMC 
> for the Board", but AltRMI and Directory do not yet
> have 
> intended homes.  (unless I'm misinterpreting
> something here)
> 
> Finally, here are a couple relevant posts on this
> topic from 
> last September:
>
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=general@incubator.apache.org&msgNo=2051
>
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=general@incubator.apache.org&msgNo=2052
> 
> I guess the question is whether TLPs projects should
> be voted on
> by their Sponsor{ing Entity} *before* entering
> Incubator (as I 
> think is typical for non-TLPs), or *after*
> satisfying their 
> Incubator exit criteria and a vote of the Incubator
> PMC, or
> possibly *before and after*?
> 
> 
> Cliff
> 
>
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