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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 05:29:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Rodney Waldhoff <rwaldhoff@apache.org>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project
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Allow me to expound upon one of the issues this raises just a little
bit, to help you see where this concern is coming from.

The Apache DB project has a single, unified site build: a single
(Maven/Reactor) process builds both the top level web site and the sites
of the three existing subprojects.  Many of the top level pages pull in
data from the sub-project pages to present a comprehensive view of the
project.

As a DB subproject, Axion should be integrated with this process.  While
this isn't an enormously difficult task, there is a bit of configuration
and integration to make it all happen.  Hosting the Axion site under
incubator.apache.org means that Axion will need to set up a different
site generation and publication process than the one it will use once it
is part of the DB project. These processes will need to be
replaced/reworked once Axion is promoted.  This creates a significant
amount of unnecessary work for the development team.  Similarly,
navigation of the Axion site will be different when integrated with the
rest of the Apache DB site.

If one of the functions of incubation is to help a project "settle in"
to its new home, hosting Axion's web site at
http://incubator.apache.org/ is contrary to this goal--it creates work
that will have to be undone once the project has graduated.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > Ceki G�lc� wrote:
> > > Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> > > > My concern isn't the difficulty of copying files from one directory to
> > > > another.  It is pointing an exisiting user, developer and google-bot
> > > > community from http://axion.tigris.org, then to
> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/axion, then to http://db.apache.org/axion,
> > > > all in a matter of weeks.  What does all this disruption buy for us?
> >
> > > I am also worried about the point raised by Rodney.
> >
> > There should be no need to "point" people at anything.  Asking around, I am
> > told that the problem with tigris is simply that their system does not
> > support adding redirects.  That is not the case here.  So, unfortunately in
> > the case of axion, you do have to tell them to come to Apache, but we can
> > handle it transparently once here.
>
> I understand the way .htaccess works.  I would still suggest this isn't
> quite "transparent".  As evidence of this, I'll note that despite how
> technically easy it is to "automatically" make this move, it has not been
> done for the 5 or more projects currently hosted at their "destination"
> URL.
>
> >
> > Personally, I do not have a problem if you chose to publish
> > db.apache.org/axion. as the normative URL for people.  Then in
> > /www/db.apache.org/.htaccess, added:
> >
> >   Redirect Permanent /axion http://incubator.apache.org/axion
> >
> > People visiting the normal location would be automatically relocated to the
> > URL within the Incubator (thus satisfying the request that we make the
> > projects's status clear) for the duration of Incubation, however long or
> > short a period.
> >
> > When the project promoted, you would remove it, and we'd add:
> >
> >   Redirect Permanent /axion http://db.apache.org/axion
> >
> > for anyone who had bookmarked the incubation site.  Thus we would continue
> > to provide transparency and automation.
> >
> > 	--- Noel
> >
>
> - Rod <http://radio.weblogs.com/0122027/>
>
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