From general-return-2880-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Dec 08 23:37:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 64433 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 23:37:51 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 23:37:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 78972 invoked by uid 500); 8 Dec 2003 23:37:36 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 78895 invoked by uid 500); 8 Dec 2003 23:37:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: no List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 78881 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 23:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hogshead.codehaus.org) (66.216.68.111) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 23:37:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (CPE00045a0b555b-CM023080004191.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.102.210.93]) by hogshead.codehaus.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB8NjgK02175 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:45:42 -0600 Subject: Re: projects incubated by the incubator PMC From: Jason van Zyl To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <20031208145430.W92040@minotaur.apache.org> References: <20031208145430.W92040@minotaur.apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1070926656.13047.816.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 08 Dec 2003 18:37:36 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 18:07, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > > There is no reason for a project to have a final destination until > > it has to go somewhere other than incubator, at which point it can > > decide whether it wants to be a TLP (calling for a board vote) or > > part of an existing project (calling for that project's pmc to vote). > > The language and policy regarding sponsors in > and > others, while not directly contradicting that statement, certainly seems > to encourage the opposite. > > If the intention is to generally decide at the point of graduation whether > a project is a TLP or a part of an exsiting project rather than at the > time of initiation, then I think the language of policy/guidelines should > be revised. The current language regarding sponsors makes it sound like > "lazy destination selection" is the exception rather than the rule. I also don't think it's really that much work on the behalf of a project trying to enter Apache to do a little leg work in resolving that before entering. Clearly there should be some interest within Apache for the code to be accepted. Either at the board level where things like Geronimo and Eve have been discussed where upon successful incubation the project moves to its designated TLP location. The other case being where some contact has been made with one of the TLPs to accept the code upon successful incubation. I would propose those documents be changed to state that what is outlined above is a prerequisite for entry into the incubator. Is this something that requires a member vote as it affects everyone here because the production of useful software is what we're doing here at Apache so I think all members should have a say WRT to software entering Apache. Projects should not come here without having contacted the board (in the case of a TLP proposal) or a TLP. Any other case should be unacceptable. -- jvz. Jason van Zyl jason@zenplex.com http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org