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From "Noel J. Bergman" <n...@devtech.com>
Subject RE: Exiting Incubation - Status Check
Date Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:25:01 GMT
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:

> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > I don't know off-hand, so I'll ask you: isn't hsqldb's license
BSD-style?
> > What makes it incompatible?

>  http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=106330819625235&w=2

That makes the project unavailable for changing the license (to become an
ASF project), but I don't see why the license is incompatible.

> using Axion is not an option, as long as Axion doesn't support composed
> primary keys.

Are they aware of it?  Not that it matters for your status.

> > Why is hsqldb required to compile the code?  Is the code not using JDBC?

> Some part of JaxMe is able to generate code by querying for JDBC metadata.
> The test suite uses hsqldb to verify that part.  And building the
> distribution includes building the test suite.

So make the process conditional upon finding what it needs, and generating a
warning that certain test cannot be performed because something is missing.
I think that would be fine, too.

> The project's STATUS file
> (http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/site/projects/jaxme.cwiki),
> which needs updating.

> How do I update that file?

The PPMC concept makes this much easier, IMO.  I think that you could make
with either review-then-commit or commit-then-review, but either way the
PPMC would vote on the changes.  At the moment, I think that the committers,
along with dims, could vote on the status changes as the project's statement
to the PMC.

> > Does any one organization control the project?  How diverse is the
> > community?

> No. Made of individuals.

And since it will be part of the WS project, that helps.

What would really help is for projects to adopt the philosophy that:

  (1) Seeks to get all active Committers onto the PMC in a
      manner based upon their being trusted to participate
      in decision making.

  (2) Accept that only PMC member votes are binding.

  (3) Every Committer has karma for every module.

It is just one project with multiple, related, codebases.

> > Conflict != tantrum.  :-)  Has there never been a disagreement, a debate
> > over something?

> There have been discussions and votes, but so far no true disagreements.

Sound good so far.  :-)

> > Have the developers generated PGP keys and started to get signed into
the
> > web of trust?

> That second part is the interesting thing: How do we add our keys to the
> "web of trust"? (Not that I know what it is. :-)

In fairness, that is something we (the ASF) need to help you with.  We
cannot, in my opinion, expect you to know.  There are some proposals, but I
do not believe that anything is final.

Are any of you geographically co-located?

	--- Noel


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