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From "Andy Cutright" <Andy.Cutri...@borland.com>
Subject RE: Exiting Incubation - Status Check
Date Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:32:11 GMT
i'm interested in the web of trust as well. i've just started following
the incubator/ infrastructure lists. is there a summary of the proposals
some where? 

i imagine there are a number of apache committers in the SF bay area,
making it possible to physically verify identity.. 

cheers,
andy 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:noel@devtech.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:25 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: dims@yahoo.com; jaxme-dev@ws.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Exiting Incubation - Status Check
> 
> 
> Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> 
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > I don't know off-hand, so I'll ask you: isn't hsqldb's license
> BSD-style?
> > > What makes it incompatible?
> 
> >  
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=1063308196
> 25235&w=2
> 
> That makes the project unavailable for changing the license 
> (to become an
> ASF project), but I don't see why the license is incompatible.
> 
> > using Axion is not an option, as long as Axion doesn't 
> support composed
> > primary keys.
> 
> Are they aware of it?  Not that it matters for your status.
> 
> > > Why is hsqldb required to compile the code?  Is the code 
> not using JDBC?
> 
> > Some part of JaxMe is able to generate code by querying for 
> JDBC metadata.
> > The test suite uses hsqldb to verify that part.  And building the
> > distribution includes building the test suite.
> 
> So make the process conditional upon finding what it needs, 
> and generating a
> warning that certain test cannot be performed because 
> something is missing.
> I think that would be fine, too.
> 
> > The project's STATUS file
> > 
> (http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/incubator/site/projects/jax
> me.cwiki),
> > which needs updating.
> 
> > How do I update that file?
> 
> The PPMC concept makes this much easier, IMO.  I think that 
> you could make
> with either review-then-commit or commit-then-review, but 
> either way the
> PPMC would vote on the changes.  At the moment, I think that 
> the committers,
> along with dims, could vote on the status changes as the 
> project's statement
> to the PMC.
> 
> > > Does any one organization control the project?  How diverse is the
> > > community?
> 
> > No. Made of individuals.
> 
> And since it will be part of the WS project, that helps.
> 
> What would really help is for projects to adopt the philosophy that:
> 
>   (1) Seeks to get all active Committers onto the PMC in a
>       manner based upon their being trusted to participate
>       in decision making.
> 
>   (2) Accept that only PMC member votes are binding.
> 
>   (3) Every Committer has karma for every module.
> 
> It is just one project with multiple, related, codebases.
> 
> > > Conflict != tantrum.  :-)  Has there never been a 
> disagreement, a debate
> > > over something?
> 
> > There have been discussions and votes, but so far no true 
> disagreements.
> 
> Sound good so far.  :-)
> 
> > > Have the developers generated PGP keys and started to get 
> signed into
> the
> > > web of trust?
> 
> > That second part is the interesting thing: How do we add 
> our keys to the
> > "web of trust"? (Not that I know what it is. :-)
> 
> In fairness, that is something we (the ASF) need to help you with.  We
> cannot, in my opinion, expect you to know.  There are some 
> proposals, but I
> do not believe that anything is final.
> 
> Are any of you geographically co-located?
> 
> 	--- Noel
> 
> 
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