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From Brian McCallister <mccallis...@forthillcompany.com>
Subject Re: Apache Gallery Project
Date Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:38:42 GMT
I can almost guarantee that you could get hosted at sourceforge. Beyond 
that i don't know of anyone providing hosting for that type of project.

-Brian

On Dec 8, 2003, at 9:32 PM, Jay Zylstra wrote:

> I'll interpret the lack of response to mean this idea doesn't fit
> Apache.  Okay.  But since the need remains for a free gallery of common
> Web app icons (document, search, print, etc.), does anyone have a
> suggestion of where such a project would fit, or is anyone aware of an
> existing one?
>
> JayZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Zylstra [mailto:jay@zylstra.us]
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:58 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Apache Gallery Project
>
>
> I didn't mean that the gallery would be under LGPL specifically, but
> something akin to it.  As I understand, there are really three types of
> licensing for intellectual property:
> 1)  Owner restricts access to the property, and charges to use it
> (Microsoft,
>     SCO, etc.)
> 2)  Owner allows others to use and enhance the property, but must
> release
>     enhancements likewise (GPL)
> 3)  Owner allows others to use and enhance the property, and
> enhancements can
>     be kept (LGPL, Apache)
>
> I meant that I favor the latter option, since many can use and
> contribute to a shared library, while leveraging it in products to make
> a living by charging for it.  As a user of that library, it is then in
> my interest to contribute to its maintenance and enhancement because
> others will then support and build upon those enhancements, and we all
> win.  I agree that the ASL 1.1 seems too software-specific for an image
> gallery, considering its explicit reference to source and binary code.
> The best approach would seem to be the creation of a new Apache Media
> License for images, documentation, and other non-code property.
>
> So, now that the LGPL issue is clarified, would something like this 
> make
> sense as an Apache project?  Since Apache is all about providing the
> common tools and technologies necessary to build Web apps (and other
> apps as well), I think it fits.  If not, where would such an effort
> belong?  I'm against just starting another lone project on SourceForge,
> because it would just get lost in the crowd.
>
> JayZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henri Yandell [mailto:bayard@generationjava.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:57 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache Gallery Project
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Jay Zylstra wrote:
>
>> 4)  Start an LGPL-like project where many share in the free creation
>>     and use of the artwork
>>
>> Artwork project (http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/artwork), the
>> Apache Gallery project would be licensed under Apache's more liberal
>> LGPL-like
>
> You need to research the licencing a bit. The Apache licence is far 
> more
> libreral than LGPL. There have been questions on LGPL's validity for
> something like Java, it's validity for something like images would seem
> non existent.
>
> Possibly you might want to consider the various documentation licences.
> They may be a better fit than the source code licences like the ASF
> licence.
>
> [OT: It does raise interesting questions over the licencing of Apache
> documentation and images]
>
>> license, which wouldn't force me to open-source my work, and thus
>> destroy my livelihood.  Once incubated, I'm not sure if it would best
>> belong under Commons or Jakarta.  Wherever it would land, it would
>
> Definitely not Jakarta. It's nothing to do with Java. Equally, it's
> pushing it as to whether it's to do with Commons as it's not something
> that is coming from the Apache commiting community [ie) another Apache
> project].
>
> Whether artwork is something that fits in the Apache realm, I'll leave
> for others to argue over. I see no blatant reason why it could not.
>
> Hen
>
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