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From Aaron Bannert <aa...@clove.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects
Date Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:03:16 GMT
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:47:31AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> >I don't agree that Incubator PMC members should only be second-class
> >PPMCers. If an Incubator PMC member wishes to volunteer their time
> >to participate as a seed PMC member on the new PPMC, then they
> >should be a first-class member.
> 
> Hmmm... what I mean is that if an Incubator PMC member is not going to 
> follow the project once it's out of incubation *and* the PPMC is 
> functioning well without him, there is no need for him to necessarily 
> intervene in every decision.
> 
> Instead, if he participates in the project on the dev list, and this is 
> not of course limited to codin, as you correctly remember, he should 
> also be actively involved in the PPMC discussions. Such a figure is that 
> of Mentors, hence my note.
> 
> "Incubator PMC members not engaged in active discussion and development
> on a project are on the project PPMC in quality of observers. "
> 
> This means that Incubator PMC members that are *not* involved in the 
> project, hence ones that do not really wish to actively participate, do 
> not have to vote on issues that they don't care about *unless* they feel 
> it necessary.

Does this need to be called out explicitly? I don't think so.

Also, it seems to me that any Incubator PMC member who has joined
a PPMC list is already acting in the role of "Mentor"? Now that we
have PPMCs, we don't need to have an explicit role of "Mentor"
anymore. Can we get rid of these complicated rules and roles and
terms now that we have a PPMC?

> >I also disagree with this. The purpose of the report is to present
> >a condensed view of the happenings within a project so that others
> >can see how things are going. If they are only posted to the PPMC list,
> >then who will be the audience? These reports should be going to
> >general@incubator.apache.org.
> 
> Ok, it makes sense. I would suggest that the dev and ppmc lists get a 
> chance to see it before it's posting there, but I wouldn't make it a 
> rule for now.

Yeah, whatever the PPMC wants to do to write up the report is fine,
as long as they send it over to us (the Incubator PMC) when it's done.

-aaron

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