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From Jason van Zyl <jvan...@maven.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project
Date Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:57:51 GMT
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 11:28, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:

> ----------------------------------------
> Ballot 2:
> ----------------------------------------
> Since Axion is to be a sub-project of the Apache DB project and is
> currently comprised of long standing ASF members and committers, and since
> some members of the Incubator PMC have recently expressed an interest in
> only incubating what is to become top level projects, should Axion
> immediately move to be under the control of the Apache DB project, with
> the appropriate legal checkpoints to be recorded here within the central
> Incubator repository?
> 
>  [X] +1 Yes, let the Apache DB project handle it (i.e., "graduate" it
> immediately)
>  [ ]  0 Abstain
>  [ ] -1 No, if Axion is to become a part of the ASF, it should be
> incubated here first.
> ----------------------------------------

If I IP issues are dealt with then I think it would be safe to let the
interested PMC take care of the rest. Nothing is ever going to happen
here in a reasonable amount of time. As is the case with the message
that was posted a week ago. Ten proposals will be written first and the
web site multilated a half dozen times.

To preserve any sort of sanity let the PMC take on the brunt of the
work. The Incubator should be a resource for the PMCs and not a massive
bottleneck to getting anything done. I mean lets get real here, the
incubator is an obstacle currently and it's highly unlikely it's ever
going to be any different.

The only thing that could really present a problem is the legal stuff,
after that let it go. If the PMC decides the projects sucks  for
whatever reason then it can toss it out. If a project wants to go TLP
then let them (I don't care anymore, users will ultimately decide what
is shit and what isn't) and if it's a big flop then kick them out. The
Incubator is a morass and big hinderance to getting anything done.

Rodney's been doing lots of work and basically gets no feedback from
anyone because everyone is busy writing proposals while the people we
are trying to help (the new projects) and users who are ultimately going
to benefit get zero attention. That's simply absurd.

-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society


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