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From Jason van Zyl <jvan...@maven.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] New Incubator rules and scope definition (long)
Date Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:58:43 GMT
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 09:42, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 09:28, Greg Stein wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 03:41:55AM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 03:23, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> > >...
> > > > In any case, you are free to post anything at any time, but this vote

> > > > will of course go on (and yes, it will last more than a couple of days,

> > > > being so important).
> > 
> > Any vote should be at least 72 hours.
> > 
> > > > In any case, if the vote is positive, we can start using the new rules

> > > > and continue discussing your proposal as a next step.
> > > 
> > > No, I would ask that you don't continue as my vote will not be positive
> > 
> > Votes should never be held up for any individual. 
> 
> I did expect it which is why I asked if it would be acceptable to hold
> off.

I meant to say I didn't expect it ... (dyslexia is fun).

> > That is the equivalent
> > of "filibustering" :-) There are many people involved, and it would be
> > inappropriate for individuals to hold up what all the rest are doing.
> 
> I don't think I have a history of trying to hold things up! :-)
> 
> > If you want to have a say, then sit down and take the time to do it.
> > Otherwise, the project moves along without your input.
> 
> That's exactly what I doing but a couple days isn't quite long enough in
> this case. I have already shuffled a couple things around to try and
> make some time.
> 
> > > and at the very least I would like to spend a couple days finishing my
> > > response. I have no idea what the voting procedures are or what my vote
> > > actually counts for it at all but it's tentatively -1.
> > 
> > Given that this is a non-technical issue, that -1 is a simple "no" vote
> > (no such thing as vetoes for non-tech issues). However, it is also a
> > non-binding vote as you are not part of the PMC. Given your Membership
> > status and your involvement so far in incubator issues, I would support
> > your request to join the PMC if you wanted (and were willing to continue
> > your activity beyond the current issue). 
> 
> Certainly.
> 
> > Even without your joining the
> > PMC, I consider your input valuable and would absolutely take your vote
> > into consideration.
> 
> Much appreciated.
> 
> > Cheers,
> > -g
-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society


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