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From Jason van Zyl <>
Subject Re: projects incubated by the incubator PMC
Date Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:37:36 GMT
On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 18:07, Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> > There is no reason for a project to have a final destination until
> > it has to go somewhere other than incubator, at which point it can
> > decide whether it wants to be a TLP (calling for a board vote) or
> > part of an existing project (calling for that project's pmc to vote).
> The language and policy regarding sponsors in
> <> and
> others, while not directly contradicting that statement, certainly seems
> to encourage the opposite.
> If the intention is to generally decide at the point of graduation whether
> a project is a TLP or a part of an exsiting project rather than at the
> time of initiation, then I think the language of policy/guidelines should
> be revised.  The current language regarding sponsors makes it sound like
> "lazy destination selection" is the exception rather than the rule.

I also don't think it's really that much work on the behalf of a project
trying to enter Apache to do a little leg work in resolving that before

Clearly there should be some interest within Apache for the code to be
accepted. Either at the board level where things like Geronimo and Eve
have been discussed where upon successful incubation the project moves
to its designated TLP location. The other case being where some contact
has been made with one of the TLPs to accept the code upon successful

I would propose those documents be changed to state that what is
outlined above is a prerequisite for entry into the incubator.

Is this something that requires a member vote as it affects everyone
here because the production of useful software is what we're doing here
at Apache so I think all members should have a say WRT to software
entering Apache.

Projects should not come here without having contacted the board (in the
case of a TLP proposal) or a TLP. Any other case should be unacceptable.


Jason van Zyl

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society

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