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From Jason van Zyl <jvan...@maven.org>
Subject RE: projects incubated by the incubator PMC
Date Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:01:13 GMT
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 13:06, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Jason,
> 
> The short answer is that knowledge of the final destination is not a
> pre-requisite for entrance into the Incubator.  The minimum requirement for
> entrance is sponsorship by a Member or Officer, and acceptance by the
> Incubator PMC.

I really think that should be changed. How can a project come here
without a thought to its final destination? Don't you think that's
important? That we could potentially end up with N projects just
floating about here indefinitely is not a good thing. Additionally if no
group in Apache expresses an interest in the project being incubated why
are we incubating it? I think this all started with Tapestry and Jakarta
was the eventual landing zone.

What's going to happen with AltRMI and the FtpServer? They just sit in
the incubator indefinitely? There's no IP issues as these came from
within Apache anyway? If an incubated codebase has no slated home within
then I would ask how it even landed here in the first place?

My point in raising this discussion is to focus on Ruper as it's a small
tool with no final landing destination as far as I can tell. I wasn't
paying attention to lists, was away for a few days and came back to see
it being mentored/helped by the Incubator itself.

I voted +1 making the silly assumption that a destination was required. 

To my knowledge Nicola has made attempts to have projects like
Centipede, Ruper be absorbed into Apache via Ant and those haven't been
successful so I am assuming that's probably still the case (someone feel
free to correct me if I'm wrong). Adam Jack contacted me personally just
to shoot the shit about Ruper and I told him his code would be welcome
in Maven.

If the code has no final destination then I am a very strong -1 to the
code being accepted. If Ant is interested that is good as it fits there.
No one contacted the Maven PMC so obviously there is no interest there
and I did make the offer of assistance to Adam. 

So that being said Ruper folks what the long-term plan?

Additionally what's the long term plan for things like AltRMI and the
FtpServer that are just floating at the moment. The projects can't
operate out of the incubator and if no one asks where those projects are
going it is likely they will just stagnate there. Projects that are free
and clear of IP problems can't operate out of the Incubator can they?

-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society


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