From general-return-2780-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Dec 01 04:06:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 42648 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 04:06:35 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 04:06:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 78548 invoked by uid 500); 1 Dec 2003 04:06:15 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 78472 invoked by uid 500); 1 Dec 2003 04:06:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: no List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 78459 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 04:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hyperreal.org) (209.237.226.90) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 04:06:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 86389 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 04:06:28 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO fez.hyperreal.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 04:06:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 14817 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Dec 2003 04:06:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 04:06:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:06:22 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf X-X-Sender: brian@fez.hyperreal.org To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031130194546.S271@fez.hyperreal.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Personally, I view Political Correctness as being closer to Orwellian > thought control than a sincere attempt to instill appreciation for, and > tolerance of, diversity. And I think "Political Correctness" is a term invented by the right to pretend that they shouldn't have to care about the history and legacy of others in the world, that their own ignorance is a virtue rather than a vice. But you can't entirely blame them - racism and cultural abrasiveness is often not easy to spot or be aware of. Watch any film from the 50's or earlier and notice how women and people of color are depicted; the cues can be subtle but, in retrospect, pretty harmful. Here's one way to think of it. We have a certain set of principles that bind Apache developers together - transparancy, consensus, non-affiliation, respect for fellow developers, and meritocracy, among others. Someone new to Apache or the concept of Open Source, and who doesn't grok those principles off the bat, is likely to interpret our feedback to them along these lines as Political Correctness - that it's not PC to flame someone to shreds, not PC to make code decisions on IRC, not PC to demand someone else to fix your bugs. There's no doubt it gets abused - and having lived in Berkeley, boy do you see it get abused. But in this case, there's every reason in the world to be concerned about what we do with Native American history and mythology. Despite this, I like Geronimo as a name. However, I think it'd be a poor choice for two reasons previously noted: other software products already using that name, and the *potential* it has to cause quite a bit of trouble. It's really not that hard to come up with new names. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org