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From Jason van Zyl <jvan...@maven.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project
Date Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:54:43 GMT
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 14:50, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:41, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 14:31, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > 
> > > > It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or
> > > > something nasty like that. It's a piece of free software that gives
> > > > people some choice and it uses the name of a native indian hero. So some
> > > > coke and twinkie consuming, pasty white programmer might actually learn
> > > > something from looking up Geronimo.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by your pathetic attempt at
> > > insulting me, but I'm not going to play your flame game, and I'm not
> > > going to attack you back.
> > 
> > Attack you? All I'm trying to express is that the name is not being used
> > in any derogatory sense and that the name Geronimo is being used in a
> > positive light. In addition to that people may actually be curious what
> > the name actually means and lookup the word Geronimo and learn
> > something. 
> 
> So let them look it up.  I don't care what the name means.
> 
> You keep saying thisngs like "derogatory" and "nasty".  I keep saying
> "CONTROVERSIAL".  It's CONTROVERSIAL here in the U.S.  Are you even
> *listening*?

Of course I'm listening and am also asking you to think. It's
controversial for a reason: most likely it's because some indigenous
peoples find the use of their names in some contexts to be derogatory or
offensive. I'm just asking people to think if in this context it could
even be remotely seen controversial.

-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
jason@zenplex.com
http://tambora.zenplex.org

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society


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