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From Jason van Zyl <jvan...@maven.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project
Date Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:36:18 GMT
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 13:08, Brian. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 11:55, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 12:31, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> > > "Sander Striker" <striker@apache.org> writes:
> > > > 
> > > > And to clarify: Native American Indian tribe names are inappropiate.
> > > 
> > > Given the name "Apache" .. this is an inconsistent statement. Is this
> > > (a new) political correctness thing or some policy?
> > 
> > Bingo.
> > 
> > > I'm obviously not native American, but if I were I'd personally be
> > > happy to have a major project like Apache Geronimo be named after him.
> > > In fact, it feels rather apropos given the David vs. Goliath scenarios
> > > involved!
> > 
> > Geronimo was an Apache was he not? So it definitley seems odd that we
> > can name our whole organization after the people of Geronimo but not
> > Geronimo himself (yes, I know the name came from "a patchy server, but
> > that's not obvious to anyone most of the time).
> 
> You're forgetting the etymology of the name "Apache".  It came about
> because the original version of httpd was a set of patches to the NCSA
> httpd server.  Thus came "A patchy webserver", and consequently
> "Apache". 
> 
> This word is already controversial enough... releasing a product named
> "Geronimo" would be the equivalent of pouring jet fuel onto a fire that
> we've managed to dampen to a smolder.
> 
> Those of you who know me understand that I'm *anything* but politically
> correct... my vote here is based on what I think is best for the ASF,
> not necessarily what I think is best for me.

So the ASF has actually received messages from Apache indians that are
offended by the use of the name Apache?

I wasn't aware of fire quenching being done because of the use of the
name Apache.

> -Fitz
> 
> 
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jvz.

Jason van Zyl
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In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society


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