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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:47:01 -0800
From: Greg Stein <gstein@apache.org>
To: Tetsuya Kitahata <tetsuya@apache.org>
Cc: infrastructure@apache.org, general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: DO NOT REPLY [Bug 24139] New:  - Reply-To: Headerline info of
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 from tetsuya@apache.org on Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 04:44:48PM +0900

On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 04:44:48PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:52:43 -0700
> "Noel J. Bergman" <noel@devtech.com> wrote:
>...
> > As for the list changes, I thought I had made clear in my earlier note that
> > the request should come from the PMC.
> 
> I do not think so. Hey, you know that "geronimo-dev" (@incubator)
> "REJECTED" the mailing list config *without* "Reply-To:" Headerline.
> Did you forget? Over 900 people rejected!!!!! Why do we/they expect
> another vote?

Who said the geronimo-dev list is going to be changed? Nobody said they
would need to revote.

The infrastructure folks are simply saying: list change requests should
come from the PMC controlling that list. In other words, your notions of
what is (or is not) policy are completely irrelevant. The PMC sets the
policy for its lists.

Some PMCs want Reply-To, and others do not. That is their choice.

> Ordinary people would expect the same (mail lists would be created
> in the config of appending "Reply-To:" as normal) goes for all the
> developers' lists in apache.org.

That is *YOUR* opinion. Other people have other opinions. The ASF has
stated that the PMC gets to decide. Generally, that will mean the PMC asks
the community what they would like.

> Infrastructure Team,
> Did you all forget the *FACT*?
> 
> Again, "geronimo-dev" (@incubator) has already "VOTED"
> about the "Reply-To:" HeaderLine issue. Please stop such a fool.

You are TOTALLY out of line here, Tetsuya. Do not call the infrastructure
team "a fool". They are doing exactly what they should be doing: leaving
it up to the PMC. You, on the other hand, are suggesting that the ASF
mandates a policy across all PMCs. That isn't going to happen at this
point in time.

Further, I do not recall any suggestions that geronimo-dev is going to
change, especially in a way contrary to what that community has chosen. As
a matter of fact, the list *was* initially set up without Reply-To on it.
The community didn't like that and voted to have it altered. It was
quickly changed, and has been like that ever since.

How did they even come into this discussion?

Now that said, I think you should attempt to be a bit less confrontational
in your emails.

-g

-- 
gstein@apache.org ... ASF Chairman ... http://www.apache.org/

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