Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 50860 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 01:41:11 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 01:41:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 91126 invoked by uid 500); 23 Sep 2003 01:40:52 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 91055 invoked by uid 500); 23 Sep 2003 01:40:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: no List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 91036 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 01:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.noos.fr) (212.198.2.77) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 01:40:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 53831022 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 2003 01:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO apache.org) ([212.198.17.4]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.198.2.77 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Sep 2003 01:40:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3F6FA542.4000800@apache.org> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:43:30 +0200 From: Stephen McConnell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Noel J. Bergman wrote: >Stephen, > >Actually, I think you had it right the first time. The XML Project PMC >should take the first responsibility to find someone where their >representative to stop doing his role. > Actually - I disagree. If I say that the Board is responsible. What I am saying is that there is a shared responsibility on each and every member of the Board. Now in reality, that means that responsibility is diluted because if a go to a Board Member and say - "hey - you are responsible" - the board member can say to me - "what!, no - I am a member of a group and it is the group that makes decisions - not I". I then say - "so who is responsible for the group" and the member says to me -"go talk to the Chair". So I go talk to the Chair - and I say to the Chair - "hey Chair, your responsible, here is the issue" - and the Chair doesn't reply to me for 14 days - but then I get a message - "Sorry Steve I can't do anything about this". So who is responsible and who is accountable? In this scenario - the Chair is responsible and accountable (sorry Greg) ;-) It is the prerogative of the chair to return a decision directly, or, to reflect to me a decision of the members of the forum he/she represents. Either way - the Chair reflects the Board responsibility and Greg carries the ultimate individual accountability. Individual accountability is the subject here because we are talking about the engagement of Apache Members or Officers to positions of responsibility. And I, as a member of this community want to *assure* a complete line of accountability for said responsibility - cradle to grave. Cheers, Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:mcconnell@apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org