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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:40:16 -0700
From: Ted Leung <twleung@sauria.com>
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Okay guys,  I get the message.  I'll ask XML beans to make a 
"xmlbeans-is-not-part-of-the-ASF-1.0" release. 

On 9/22/2003 10:09 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:

>Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
>  
>
>>>i think the point is that a podling is *not* part of the
>>>asf, and is therefore not entitled to distribute something
>>>with the asf's name on it.  if the podling graduates, i don't
>>>see any bar to whatever packages were built during incubation
>>>being retitled as asf ones.
>>>      
>>>
>>There are several things I do not understand here. First of all, IMO, by 
>>accepting a project for incubation, it is part of the ASF.
>>    
>>
>
>no, it is a *candidate to become* part of the asf.  if it fails to
>exit the incubator, for whatever reason, it doesn't wander off into
>the sunset bearing the asf name with it. :-)
>
>  
>
>>For whatever 
>>other reason am I expected to sign a contribution agreement at the 
>>beginning? From your point of view, it would be suffigient to sign when
>>the project exits incubation.
>>    
>>
>
>because the code is being stored on asf infrastructure, among other
>things.
>
>  
>
>>Next, assuming that my point is wrong, I would assume that incubation is 
>>targetted to be a process of transition. Which means, that a project is at 
>>some point perhaps not completely ready, but with a sufficient progress. 
>>What good does it, to insist in the "final 20 percent" or whatever you are 
>>missing?
>>    
>>
>
>i'm having trouble parsing that, so i can't respond intelligently.
>can you rephrase?
>
>  
>
>>Finally, you should not forget that incubated projects are frequently mature 
>>and well maintained. What good does it, to forbid them to publish, for 
>>example, a release that is "identical to the last public release, except
>>that the package names are being updated". IMO this is the least what users 
>>can expect to guide them in their own transition as soon as possible.
>>    
>>
>
>as far as i'm concerned, they can publish whatever they want -- but they
>can't call it an asf release.  i don't think any harm would be done if
>a ga release were made during incubation, labeled with the pre-incubation
>name (i.e., not mentioning the asf at all), but i'd have to consider it more
>to feel sure about that.
>  
>


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