From general-return-1827-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Sep 19 07:00:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 42650 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 07:00:58 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 07:00:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 69852 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2003 07:00:33 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 69693 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2003 07:00:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: no List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 69680 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 07:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO main.gmane.org) (80.91.224.249) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 07:00:32 -0000 Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A0FFg-0002Fp-00 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:00:24 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: general@incubator.apache.org Received: from sea.gmane.org ([80.91.224.252]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A0F61-00024e-00 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:50:25 +0200 Received: from news by sea.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A0F6L-0004ry-00 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:50:45 +0200 From: Nicola Ken Barozzi Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:48:24 +0200 Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nicolaken@apache.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030901 Thunderbird/0.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Sender: news X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I think any ASF member that wants to be active in any part of incubation > should be immediately placed on the PMC as soon as they request it. > Non-ASF members should have to prove themselves worthy first, taking into > consideration their involvement in other ASF projects, but they too should > be part of the PMC before they are allowed to be a shepherd. The fact that there needs to be a shepherd from the Incubator PMC is out of question. > Umbrella PMCs are a waste of time and energy. The purpose of the PMC > structure is to legalize a volunteer's activities, not to create a > bureaucracy for deciding what other people do. Working with your exact words, we could come to think that activities done by people not on the PMC are not legal, which is not the case. The PMC is there for the wellbeing of the project, and to ensure that the project continues to go on even after volunteers come and go. Hence, if the sponsor, as we said, shall be an Apache member, he is already legally "safe", and does not need to be on the PMC. I doubt that an Apache member that does his first incubation is knowledgeble as a PMC member that has seen more than one. IMV the Incubator is a lot about incubation continuity. So if the sponsor is interested in *incubation*, rather than incubating *a* project, he will surely be proposed to the PMC sooner or later. If he simply wants to help out on that *single* project, there is no need to make him part of the PMC, as he doesn't care about how the Incubator itself will go on, and a more long-standing PMC member is IMO needed to help him through incubation. > ....Roy > > p.s. The role of the chair is to help the committee discuss the issues > that need to be discussed, make sure decisions are made when voting > is proposed, and ensure that the results of a decision are acted > upon by someone (either volunteer or, if necessary, assigned). -- Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org