From general-return-1819-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Sep 19 02:14:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 26723 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 02:14:25 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 02:14:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 39288 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2003 02:14:05 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 39214 invoked by uid 500); 19 Sep 2003 02:14:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: no List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 39197 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 02:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com) (24.93.67.84) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 02:14:04 -0000 Received: from noel770 (cae88-16-024.sc.rr.com [24.88.16.24]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id h8J2Bx4R001179 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:12:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Noel J. Bergman" To: Subject: RE: ASF member role - accountable to whom Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:13:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3F6A512D.1090304@apache.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >>>ASF Member status continues to maintain a certain club quality >>>within which privaliges ebb-and-flow toi sute the moment). > >>Huh? >> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=community@apache.org&msg No=2002 > > I want you to think of two societies (a) a small society that > establishes a board which creates the notion of membership by > invitation which influences the evolution of Apache via the > incubator A "small" society that established a legal non-profit organization for the common good, a process for growth, and which created an Incubator to help ensure that growth was met with legal oversight, as well as the PMC process providing the same for established projects. Along with legal protection for its contributors, which requires oversight to preserve. > as opposed to (b) a broader and more open society the elects > members that are charged with and accountable to its electorate > community for the evolution of Apache via the incubator. > Which of these two views do you subscribe to? You put forth (a) sound like its a bad thing, but let me point out that the ASF started as just the titular HTTP web server, a project that I and many others have never worked on. The ASF today has grown tremendously in scope from that beginning. And the Member roster is beginning to reflect that as new Members are elected. > ... and, to whom is the ASF Member accountable? In all contexts, to himself/herself, but if you mean in terms of ASF related behavior, that would be governed by our Bylaws and policies. To imply that ASF Members are not accountable would be a horrid stretch. AFAICS, ASF Members come in all sizes and shapes. The only thing that they necessarily have in common is that others perceive in them the desire to see the Foundation flourish, and trust them to help make that happen. Please note that in the most recent election of Members, the roster grew by over 20%. --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org