From general-return-2006-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Sep 22 20:25:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 33113 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 20:25:55 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 20:25:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 74429 invoked by uid 500); 22 Sep 2003 20:25:42 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 74145 invoked by uid 500); 22 Sep 2003 20:25:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: no List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 74132 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2003 20:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com) (24.93.67.82) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 22 Sep 2003 20:25:40 -0000 Received: from noel770 (cae88-16-024.sc.rr.com [24.88.16.24]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id h8MKIJ0Q008251 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:18:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Noel J. Bergman" To: Subject: RE: roles and responsibilities Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:27:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3F6F44A9.1080000@sauria.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N > > let's make sure we're agreed on terminology here. so far, the terms > > 'sponsor', 'shepherd', and 'mentor' have been conflated. my view is > > that the latter two are the same and refer to a single individual, and > > that a sponsor is either that same person or the asf project that has > >said 'the podling has a home here when it's done.' > +1. I don't think that we need have multiple people fufill all these > roles. If the sponsor/shepherd/mentor is going to be a member of the > incubator PMC (see 1 above), then they ought to be trusted to follow the > incubator guidlines (once they exist). Do we really need this much > check and balance? Seems so, but that's why in my mind I invest the "Sponsor" and "Mentor" role in the same person, and the "Shephard" is the check and balance, to use your term. How much a check and balance depends upon the Sponsor/Mentor. If that person is really doing a great job, the Shephard's job is easier. If the Sponsor/Mentor needs a bit of help, perhaps because of inexperience incubating projects, the Shephard needs to step in a bit more. Incubating the Sponsor/Mentor, if you will. But always providing oversight. That scales better. The Sponsor/Mentor is an interested party in the success of the project. The Shephard is an Incubator PMC member experienced in incubation issues. That separation also matches what I understand from Nicola Ken and others. Ken's comment about the Incubator PMC being composed of "a set of passionate asf people who are essentially in agreement about what makes something a genuine 'apache'-style project" still holds true. I agree with Ken's concern about a PMC being a "Sponsor", but I think I addressed that in earlier comments about a Member or Officer (e.g., the PMC Chair) being the Sponsor, and that one can delegate tasks, but not responsibility. My "tweak" doesn't accept the idea of an "absentee" Sponsor waiting for the podling to grow up. --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org