From general-return-1784-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Sep 18 19:11:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 64671 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 19:11:53 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 19:11:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 91997 invoked by uid 500); 18 Sep 2003 19:11:41 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 91935 invoked by uid 500); 18 Sep 2003 19:11:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: no List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 91922 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2003 19:11:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.sauria.com) (64.38.174.106) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 18 Sep 2003 19:11:41 -0000 Received: from sauria.com (boo.sauria.com [192.168.0.10]) by mail.sauria.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172C6BF4F for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F6A0371.90807@sauria.com> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:11:45 -0700 From: Ted Leung User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030901 Thunderbird/0.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Chair (Re: cvs commit : incubator STATUS) References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.81.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On 9/18/2003 10:38 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >>>I think that in Incubator, there need at least two or three >>>persons who have real power. (One Chair and two Vice Chair?) >>> >>> > >I think we need people on the PMC who are doing the work, not expecting >Chairs and Vice Chairs to do things for them. The people who work on the >PMC, and in the projects, are the ones with "real power" except in the legal >sense of binding the Foundation. There are certain actions reserved for the >PMC Chair, but they are not part of the day-to-day operations. > > > I was the XML PMC chair for 2 years. And exactly 1 time did I exercise a special power, and that was to expand the PMC so more people could help. >The PMC Chair should not have to delegate. That implies that the Chair has >tasks to do that need to be delegated. The few tasks that the Chair needs >to do, it should do. If things aren't getting done otherwise, it means that >people aren't pro-actively stepping up to do *their* job after volunteering >to help. > > > +1 >What the Incubator needs is a PMC rowing in the same direction, and a >scalable process for incubation. > > > +2 Ted --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org