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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <nicola...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project
Date Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:15:25 GMT
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> On Monday, Sep 22, 2003, at 09:04 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
...
>> It has made issues that without it are simply ignored finally evident. 
>> As for other issues, they are usually created by people complaining 
>> here and not helping out.
> 
> I'm trying to help out indicating what I dislike about the process. If 
> this is not appreciated, tell me and I'll shut up.

Which process? You seem to fight against a process that does not exist, 
that is only what you imagine.

The process you outline is what we all strive for. There is nothing in 
this PMC and in the really small rules in our STATUS file that prevents 
you from fulfilling it.

I'd be more happy if instead of ranting you would come in with us and be 
part of it.

>>> I vote for the second.
>>
>> Then add some explanation to your vote please, because I don't see how 
>> the Incubator has created issues to Lenya.
>>
>> Call me defensive, but I have never seen a project that has been under 
>> fire from flamers like this one in all my life.
> 
> For me, the disturbing thing is the "we know what to do, you don't" 
> attitude.

You feel excluded? Well, you do not need to be. Ask to become part of 
this PMC, and you'll be surprised.

Nobody told you that you don't know what to do. Heck, you guided me 
through Apache and taught me all I know; you should really not think 
that I feel I know more than you do, it's plain silly.

Instead, you are the one that keeps questioning the components of this 
PMC from being able to incubate, having no proven track record. Somebody 
has to do it, and if others are not willing, we'll have to do.

Come on, do you have to keep asking us to open a door that is open wide?

> Remove that and you'll see the flames disappear in seconds.

I cannot remove what has never been.

-- 
Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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