On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 05:21 Europe/Rome, dion@multitask.com.au
wrote:
> Sam Ruby <rubys@apache.org> wrote on 19/09/2003 08:42:26 AM:
>
>> It took repeated attemps to get Ant to "matriculate". And significant
>> effort for Avalon. James is the only project that I recall that did
>> it
>> of their own initiative.
>
> I always wondered how Maven got out from under jakarta/turbine...
by asking.
the members came to consensus agreeing that project umbrellas are a
pain in the ass and a PMC should be as close as possible to the code it
develops, as to increase the ability to do proper legal oversight.
[note: this notion is in *strong* contrast with this virtual-PMC...
which, IMO, should be redesigned since it clearly creates more
beaurocracy than any good]
This means that it would be almost automatic, today, for a "mature"
project now included in some umbrella projects to "exit" and become a
TLP... but only if they ask so.
This is how Cocoon, Avalon, James, Maven, Ant "escaped" the umbrella
traps and went top level: they asked for it and their communities were
considered mature enough. That was it.
Projects like Tomcat, for example, didn't ask because (from what I
understood) they feel that "jakarta" has a marketing push and they want
to keep it.
--
Stefano.
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