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From James Strachan <>
Subject Re: Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news)
Date Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:30:10 GMT
I particularly liked Marc's comment...

>> No current JBoss developers are participating in the
>> Apache J2EE project

This is an interesting play on words. There are various developers from  
the JBoss open source project who are contributing to Geronimo.

But yesterday they had their CVS access to the JBoss project removed -  
probably because of their involvement with Geronimo! Which is quite  
outrageous for something which is meant to be an open source project.  
It seems like JBoss Group LLC and the (once open) project are now one  
in the same thing.

Anyways, as Greg said - lets just ignore stuff like this and focus on  
our own work.

On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 06:02  am, Andreas Kuckartz wrote:

> FYI.
> Other strange things are happening as well such as blocked JBoss cvs
> accounts and blocked mails to JBoss mailing lists. This is really  
> becoming
> ugly.
> Cheers,
> Andreas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "marc fleury" <>
> To: <>
> Cc: <>;
> <>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:33 AM
> Subject: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news
> [...]
>> Apache J2EE effort.
>> First a bit of history.  I offered EJBoss when it was 4 month old to
>> Apache.  The guys at Jakarta vote OK unanimously and their vote was
>> overridden by Brian Behlendorf. The reason from behlendorf was that  
>> they
>> 'were not the dust bin of open source projects'. I heard the Apache
>> crowd got offended for me calling them "a bunch of fat ladies drinking
>> tea" at a later date when they were running around telling us how to  
>> run
>> our project.  We had reports that this was the non-official reason for
>> this "challenge".  Challenge accepted.  More seriously as we overtake
>> them in corporate penetration and business model, I guess they are
>> finally looking beyond the HTTPD C codebase and imitation is the
>> sincerest form of flattery.
>> We are the real thing, all we have so far is talk and announcement,
>> announcements are a dime a dozen.  Apache code on this project has yet
>> to be released and then production reached and then maturity bla bla
>> bla.  I have little comment on the project except to say that JBOSS IS
>> NOT A PART OF IT. In a misleading announcement Apache chairman's Greg
>> Stein implied JBoss was participating and that JBOSS CODE WAS PART OF
>> THE PROJECT.  No current JBoss developers are participating in the
>> Apache J2EE project and since JBoss is LGPL only full copyright  
>> holders
>> can offer JBoss code under other licenses.  Bottom line? JBoss can't  
>> be
>> forked by apache.   As our customers know, we are a business, a  
>> serious
>> one and we seriously believe in and defend "professional open source".
>> That includes legal protection of IP.  Make no mistakes, JBoss will
>> AGGRESIVELY defend its copyright and LGPL license.
> [...]
>> Marcf
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Marc Fleury, Ph.D
>> Founder
>> JBoss Group, LLC
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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