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From "Andreas Kuckartz" <>
Subject Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news)
Date Wed, 06 Aug 2003 05:02:50 GMT

Other strange things are happening as well such as blocked JBoss cvs
accounts and blocked mails to JBoss mailing lists. This is really becoming


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From: "marc fleury" <>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:33 AM
Subject: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news


> Apache J2EE effort.
> First a bit of history.  I offered EJBoss when it was 4 month old to
> Apache.  The guys at Jakarta vote OK unanimously and their vote was
> overridden by Brian Behlendorf. The reason from behlendorf was that they
> 'were not the dust bin of open source projects'. I heard the Apache
> crowd got offended for me calling them "a bunch of fat ladies drinking
> tea" at a later date when they were running around telling us how to run
> our project.  We had reports that this was the non-official reason for
> this "challenge".  Challenge accepted.  More seriously as we overtake
> them in corporate penetration and business model, I guess they are
> finally looking beyond the HTTPD C codebase and imitation is the
> sincerest form of flattery.
> We are the real thing, all we have so far is talk and announcement,
> announcements are a dime a dozen.  Apache code on this project has yet
> to be released and then production reached and then maturity bla bla
> bla.  I have little comment on the project except to say that JBOSS IS
> NOT A PART OF IT. In a misleading announcement Apache chairman's Greg
> Stein implied JBoss was participating and that JBOSS CODE WAS PART OF
> THE PROJECT.  No current JBoss developers are participating in the
> Apache J2EE project and since JBoss is LGPL only full copyright holders
> can offer JBoss code under other licenses.  Bottom line? JBoss can't be
> forked by apache.   As our customers know, we are a business, a serious
> one and we seriously believe in and defend "professional open source".
> That includes legal protection of IP.  Make no mistakes, JBoss will
> AGGRESIVELY defend its copyright and LGPL license.


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