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From "James Hicks" <jrhi...@txucom.net>
Subject RE: Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news)
Date Wed, 06 Aug 2003 05:23:38 GMT
Its natural.  He sees the future of JBoss, and its not looking good.
Once the ASF has a solid J2EE product, JBoss will not look so
attractive.  Especially if Geronimo gets certified.

Bottom line, would you rather contribute to a project that is led by an
arrogant wanna be dictator or by a community of the world's brightest?
I choose the latter.

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Kuckartz [mailto:A.Kuckartz@ping.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:03 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news)


FYI.

Other strange things are happening as well such as blocked JBoss cvs
accounts and blocked mails to JBoss mailing lists. This is really
becoming ugly.

Cheers,
Andreas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marc fleury" <marc.fleury@jboss.org>
To: <jboss-news@jboss.org>
Cc: <jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net>;
<jboss-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:33 AM
Subject: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news


[...]

> Apache J2EE effort.
> First a bit of history.  I offered EJBoss when it was 4 month old to 
> Apache.  The guys at Jakarta vote OK unanimously and their vote was 
> overridden by Brian Behlendorf. The reason from behlendorf was that 
> they 'were not the dust bin of open source projects'. I heard the 
> Apache crowd got offended for me calling them "a bunch of fat ladies 
> drinking tea" at a later date when they were running around telling us

> how to run our project.  We had reports that this was the non-official

> reason for this "challenge".  Challenge accepted.  More seriously as 
> we overtake them in corporate penetration and business model, I guess 
> they are finally looking beyond the HTTPD C codebase and imitation is 
> the sincerest form of flattery.
>
> We are the real thing, all we have so far is talk and announcement, 
> announcements are a dime a dozen.  Apache code on this project has yet

> to be released and then production reached and then maturity bla bla 
> bla.  I have little comment on the project except to say that JBOSS IS

> NOT A PART OF IT. In a misleading announcement Apache chairman's Greg 
> Stein implied JBoss was participating and that JBOSS CODE WAS PART OF 
> THE PROJECT.  No current JBoss developers are participating in the 
> Apache J2EE project and since JBoss is LGPL only full copyright 
> holders can offer JBoss code under other licenses.  Bottom line? JBoss
can't be
> forked by apache.   As our customers know, we are a business, a
serious
> one and we seriously believe in and defend "professional open source".

> That includes legal protection of IP.  Make no mistakes, JBoss will 
> AGGRESIVELY defend its copyright and LGPL license.

[...]

> Marcf
>
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> Marc Fleury, Ph.D
> Founder
> JBoss Group, LLC
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