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From "James Hicks" <>
Subject RE: Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news)
Date Wed, 06 Aug 2003 05:23:38 GMT
Its natural.  He sees the future of JBoss, and its not looking good.
Once the ASF has a solid J2EE product, JBoss will not look so
attractive.  Especially if Geronimo gets certified.

Bottom line, would you rather contribute to a project that is led by an
arrogant wanna be dictator or by a community of the world's brightest?
I choose the latter.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Kuckartz [] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:03 AM
Subject: Marc Fleury reacts (Fw: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news)


Other strange things are happening as well such as blocked JBoss cvs
accounts and blocked mails to JBoss mailing lists. This is really
becoming ugly.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "marc fleury" <>
To: <>
Cc: <>;
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:33 AM
Subject: [JBoss-dev] July 2003 news


> Apache J2EE effort.
> First a bit of history.  I offered EJBoss when it was 4 month old to 
> Apache.  The guys at Jakarta vote OK unanimously and their vote was 
> overridden by Brian Behlendorf. The reason from behlendorf was that 
> they 'were not the dust bin of open source projects'. I heard the 
> Apache crowd got offended for me calling them "a bunch of fat ladies 
> drinking tea" at a later date when they were running around telling us

> how to run our project.  We had reports that this was the non-official

> reason for this "challenge".  Challenge accepted.  More seriously as 
> we overtake them in corporate penetration and business model, I guess 
> they are finally looking beyond the HTTPD C codebase and imitation is 
> the sincerest form of flattery.
> We are the real thing, all we have so far is talk and announcement, 
> announcements are a dime a dozen.  Apache code on this project has yet

> to be released and then production reached and then maturity bla bla 
> bla.  I have little comment on the project except to say that JBOSS IS

> NOT A PART OF IT. In a misleading announcement Apache chairman's Greg 
> Stein implied JBoss was participating and that JBOSS CODE WAS PART OF 
> THE PROJECT.  No current JBoss developers are participating in the 
> Apache J2EE project and since JBoss is LGPL only full copyright 
> holders can offer JBoss code under other licenses.  Bottom line? JBoss
can't be
> forked by apache.   As our customers know, we are a business, a
> one and we seriously believe in and defend "professional open source".

> That includes legal protection of IP.  Make no mistakes, JBoss will 
> AGGRESIVELY defend its copyright and LGPL license.


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