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From "Cliff Schmidt" <cl...@bea.com>
Subject RE: Issues with XMLBeans proposal
Date Thu, 03 Jul 2003 18:59:12 GMT
Sorry about that -- looks like that mail didn't make it out of my outbox.
I'll resend right now to all three lists.  

Cliff

On Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:50 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> +1
> 
> On 7/3/03 2:26 PM, "Neil Graham" <neilg@ca.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Cliff,
>> 
>> I think the copy list of your note to Howard must have been a good
>> bit narrower than the copy list of this response to Andy.  :)  Any
>> chance you could enlighten those of us in this broader group who are
>> interested as to the technical points on which XMLBeans differs from
>> other technologies? 
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> Neil
>> Neil Graham
>> XML Parser Development
>> IBM Toronto Lab
>> Phone:  905-413-3519, T/L 969-3519
>> E-mail:  neilg@ca.ibm.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:01 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>> 
>>> So what in this ensures this will be a community-developed project
>>> and not just an Apache branded extension of BEA?  I really would
>>> like to see you guys involved in Apache, but not in a way the
>>> compromises Apache.  There is a challenge that limits the
>>> excitement of others in that there are so many other similar
>>> projects that do exactly the same thing.  Perhaps it would benefit
>>> the effort if you explained why we needed another one.  That has no
>>> bearing on its suitability but it might make people more interested
>>> who wouldn't be otherwise. 
>> 
>> As Santiago points out, the veto rule provides some protection over
>> pure majority, but I don't think anyone here wants to rely on that.
>> All I can tell you is that BEA is more concerned about establishing a
>> long term relationship with Apache and other open source communities
>> than controlling the future development of XMLBeans.  From our
>> perspective, we have much more to gain by proving ourselves as
>> credible and positive contributors to open source, especially since
>> we would like XMLBeans to be the first in a series of open source
>> contributions. If the BEA committers attempt to make decisions
>> against the wishes of the rest of the community and are viewed
>> negatively for doing so, we have absolutely failed in what we set
>> out to do. 
>> 
>> See my response to Howard's questions for more on how the project
>> differs technically from other open source projects.
>> 
>> Cliff
>> 
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