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From Davanum Srinivas <d...@yahoo.com>
Subject Fwd: RE: IPR for SAML / OpenSAML @ Apache
Date Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:34:26 GMT
Folks,

Here's the actual licensing terms from RSA. I sent an email to the board asking for guidance
as
well.

Thanks,
dims
--- "Philpott, Robert" <rphilpott@rsasecurity.com> wrote:
> From: "Philpott, Robert" <rphilpott@rsasecurity.com>
> To: "'dims@yahoo.com'" <dims@yahoo.com>, "'Scott Cantor'" <cantor.2@osu.edu>
> CC: "Kamionek, Ted" <tkamionek@rsasecurity.com>,
>    "Philpott, Robert"
> 	 <rphilpott@rsasecurity.com>
> Subject: RE: IPR for SAML / OpenSAML @ Apache
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:57:03 -0500
> 
> Davanum & Scott,
> 
>  
> 
> We had an internal discussion today regarding the ASF and RSA patent
> licensing terms with regard to OpenSAML.  Unfortunately, we were not able to
> reach the consensus needed to move forward.  Some further discussions are
> thus required at our end before a decision can be finalized.
> 
>  
> 
> As this is really a business & legal issue for RSA rather than a technical
> one, I have arranged to extricate myself from the process and am asking that
> all further discussions regarding potential changes to the terms be directed
> to Ted Kamionek at tkamionek@rsasecurity.com
> <mailto:tkamionek@rsasecurity.com> . 
> 
>  
> 
> I did agree at the meeting to send you and Scott the current licensing terms
> that will be posted to the RSA web site within the next several days.  You
> can feel free to pass the document along to others as needed.  With this in
> hand, you will at least be able to discuss the licensing in concrete rather
> than hypothetical terms.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rob Philpott 
> RSA Security Inc. 
> The Most Trusted Name in e-Security 
> Tel: 781-515-7115 
> Mobile: 617-510-0893 
> Fax: 781-515-7020 
> mailto:rphilpott@rsasecurity.com <mailto:rphilpott@rsasecurity.com>  
> 
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> 
> > From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:dims@yahoo.com]
> 
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:39 AM
> 
> > To: Philpott, Robert
> 
> > Cc: 'Scott Cantor'
> 
> > Subject: RE: IPR for SAML / OpenSAML @ Apache
> 
> > 
> 
> > Rob,
> 
> > 
> 
> > Looks like the consensus at Apache is NOT to accept a project (including
> 
> > OpenSAML) if our
> 
> > customers have to get a separate license from RSA to be able to actually
> 
> > use the stuff.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Is there something RSA could do with Apache to further development and
> 
> > accpetance of these
> 
> > technologies? My direct dial is 508-628-8251 if you want to chat a bit.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Sample email with negative sentiments:
> 
> > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=104670503431392&w=2
> 
> > 
> 
> > Full Discussion:
> 
> > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&w=2&r=1&s=OpenSAML&q=b
> 
> > 
> 
> > Thanks,
> 
> > dims
> 
> > 
> 
> > --- "Philpott, Robert" <rphilpott@rsasecurity.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Hello Dims,
> 
> > >
> 
> > > I apologize for the delayed response - I've been catching up after
> 
> > vacation.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > We (RSA) are in the process of finalizing the licensing terms.  Please
> 
> > > remember that nothing is ever final until the lawyers sign off, so
> 
> > interpret
> 
> > > what I say with that in mind.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > I'll be posting an updated statement of intent to the OASIS web site
> 
> > > shortly. I'll hopefully be able to make the final license available at
> 
> > that
> 
> > > time as well. I assure you there are NO plans to change our intent to
> 
> > offer
> 
> > > licensing on an RF/RAND basis.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > I'm currently waiting on final approval from our legal dept, which I
> 
> > expect
> 
> > > in a few days.  Unfortunately, since we're going RF on this license, it
> 
> > > understandably drops down in the priority list behind revenue-generating
> 
> > > work items on their plate.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > w.r.t Toolkits - The approach we are taking is that toolkit vendors need
> 
> > to
> 
> > > acquire a license and the toolkit vendor simply needs to notify users of
> 
> > the
> 
> > > toolkit that they need to contact RSA to obtain a license.  The
> 
> > notification
> 
> > > can take the form of a message displayed when downloading the toolkit or
> 
> > > perhaps text in a readme file.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > I hope this helps explain the situation.  If you believe that our
> 
> > position
> 
> > > will inhibit the decision to move forward, please let me know and we can
> 
> > > have some further discussions.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Stay tuned and feel free to post my response to the incubator-general
> 
> > list.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Rob Philpott
> 
> > > RSA Security Inc.
> 
> > > The Most Trusted Name in e-Security
> 
> > > Tel: 781-515-7115
> 
> > > Mobile: 617-510-0893
> 
> > > Fax: 781-515-7020
> 
> > > mailto:rphilpott@rsasecurity.com
> 
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> 
> > > > From: Davanum Srinivas [mailto:dims@yahoo.com]
> 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:00 PM
> 
> > > > To: Philpott, Robert
> 
> > > > Subject: IPR for SAML / OpenSAML @ Apache
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > Robert,
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > I was looking at your emails to the OASIS (http://www.oasis-
> 
> > > > open.org/committees/security/) wanted
> 
> > > > to ask for your opinion and help.
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > We have a propsal from OpenSAML/Apache folks for a new project at
> 
> > apache
> 
> > > > for SAML seeded by code
> 
> > > > from OpenSAML group.
> 
> > > > (http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?OpenSAMLProposal).
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > We are really concerned about viability of such a project because of
> 
> > RSA's
> 
> > > > IPR claims. See
> 
> > > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-
> 
> > general&w=2&r=1&s=OpenSAML&q=b
> 
> > > > for discussions.
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > Can you please help?
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > Thanks,
> 
> > > > dims
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > >
> 
> > > > =====
> 
> > > > Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
> 
> > > >
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/msword name=RSA SAML patent license.doc

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Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/

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