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From Davanum Srinivas <>
Subject Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part of Web Services )
Date Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:30:53 GMT

Ok. What should we do about OpenSAML? Since we are facing a problem here. 


--- Sam Ruby <> wrote:
> Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Andrew,
> > 
> > Since Web Services = Legal Mine field...Getting the license for Apache will ensure
that Apache
> as
> > a Legal Entity will be protected and that the coding can go on for now. There are
2 JSR's in
> the
> > jcp and WS-Security spec in OASIS that will need this as well. 
> > 
> > Am not sure there anything else we can do in this situation. Am afraid this problem
is going
> to
> > crop up up more and more in the future.
> Please don't overgeneralize.
> I don't believe that SOAP or WSDL or JAX RPC are legal mine fields. 
> Every few months or so, however, a conspiracy theory shows up on 
> Slashdot or the Register or ScriptingNews that IBM or Microsoft or RSA 
> or whoever is undermining web services with patents.
> I very much want Apache to be a safe haven from this.  To put this 
> another way, I want people to be able to come to Apache without concern 
> for putting their own Intellectual Property at risk.
> Once we muddy the waters, people will feel that they will have to 
> scrutinize everything from Apache more carefully as they can't trust us 
> to police ourselves.
> What can we do?  We can say yes to projects which aren't encumbered by 
> such restrictions and no to projects which are.  Hopefully, this will 
> get some to change, and perhaps in other cases we will find safer 
> alternatives.
> - Sam Ruby
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