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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
Subject Re: The organization of
Date Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:52:34 GMT

- copying incubator as a notice of RFE about the docs -

Steven Noels wrote:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>> Ok, then let's not even try then, who cares, oh and while we're at it 
>> let's remove the PMCs, why are they needed, oh and the board too, oh 
>> and why Apache at all... get real, try to be constructive. If nobody 
>> cares, tell me what we should do to solve the problem instead of 
>> institutionalizing it.
> I see this and I also see you stating that there exist 'various levels 
> of legal protection'. Maybe we should make those levels more explicit, for:
> * contributors (patches)
> * committers
> * PMC - non-Members
> * PMC - Members
> * Members
> * Directors (VPs et al.)
> * Board
> Gee - I assume many will be surprised seeing _that_ many categories 
> existing within the Apache community. Also, given the fact committers 
> might receive wide-ranging commmit rights within federations of 
> non-topleveled projects (e.g. the future xml.a.o), I'm convinced there 
> exists several superfluous levels or differences in this classification.
> And I saw Sam already mentioning his inclination to be more liberal with 
> this 'Member'-thing on some list/blog (don't know where anymore, 
> information overload ;-)

IMV there are

1 contributors-committers
2 PMC members
3 members

Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but it's simply that 2 and 3 will be 
protected by Apache, the more if what they do is done following the 
Apache guidelines and in the interest of Apache.

IE, if you are a member but deliberately commit illegal stuff to CVS and 
do other things like this, I don't know how much protection you will 
recieve, but that's IMVHO and Personal opinion.

Nicola Ken Barozzi         
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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