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From Gary Griswold <>
Subject Re: What is the general perception of Apache Flex and Flash in mid 2012?
Date Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:49:54 GMT

I am the sole software developer of a small publisher and I do that as a volunteer.  It is
not feasible that I would also contribute to the Flex project, but the author of this last
'rant' works at Google.  If Google is permitting you to work on Flex then the rest of us who
use Flex are greatly indebted to you.

But are you suggesting that those who are unable to contribute should have no voice in the


On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Campos wrote:

> While I enjoy watching the banter this exact conversation has played out
> many times before.
> So let me skip to the end.
> You, have an amazing idea to completely change Flex and make it super
> awesome.
> We, are a community happy to help and develop.
> Rather than spending effort sending emails start coding. With code people
> can see direction and join up and take action.
> You want a cross compiler?! Awesome! Start making it and others will
> follow. I know of many side projects in the work all to help the community.
> I have one of my own right now.
> The most helpful thing you can do is start writing code or making a plan of
> attack that others can join in on. So let's get back to coding and make
> something amazing.
> On Jun 27, 2012 8:35 AM, "Desai, Ashish S" <>
> wrote:
>> Precisely yes. So we should have at least some focus on building cross
>> compilers that perform as beautifully as the Flex in Flash Runtime does and
>> then Voila, we have devised an amazing framework that the world would want
>> to use.
>> Thanks,
>> Ashish
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Griswold [] On Behalf Of Gary
>> Griswold
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:30 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: What is the general perception of Apache Flex and Flash in
>> mid 2012?
>> Hi,
>> I would like to second Brett's motion.  The best possible direction for
>> Apache Flex would be if it ran in a JS runtime on all devices.  Some
>> animation capabilities would be lost, but I don't think most Flex
>> developers would miss them.  And someone would need to develop the big
>> components, like DataGrid and Charts.  I don't know how many people need
>> Advanced Data Grid or the recently added OLAP features.  Possibly, some
>> complex and little used features would be jettisoned in order to make the
>> transition to JS.
>> Gary
>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Brett Adam wrote:
>>> IMHO Flex needs to become decoupled from Flash to have continued
>> relevance and an opportunity to grow.
>>> I'm currently at Velocity in Santa Clara and have heard repeated
>> derisive laughter from large audiences of IT operations folk whenever Flash
>> has been mentioned by a presenter.
>>> To me this drives home an important point: it's not just the browser
>> providers and device vendors that dislike Flash: it's the guys that run the
>> severs as well.  Opposition on two fronts.
>>> As a Flex developer, the prospect of using cobbled together toolkits to
>> do JavaScript dev leaves me feeling like my fingers have been cut off.
>>> The main reasons are ActionScript3 vs JavaScript and the consistency and
>> breadth of the Flex framework vs the patchwork of JavaScript components and
>> tooling.
>>> Neither of which should be coupled to Flash IMHO
>>> Oh how I wish AS3 were available in a plain browser.
>>> $0.02
>>> Brett
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 7:58, Jeffry Houser <> wrote:
>>>> On 6/27/2012 10:24 AM, Desai, Ashish S wrote:
>>>>> I think there is a lack of trust among big enterprises investing in
>> Flex, on the survival story of Flash/Flex. While it is true that for large
>> complex projects Action Script and Flex are the best platforms, the future
>> of Flash/Flex lies in major OS vendors providing support for the Flash
>> Player Runtime.
>>>> Or the future of Flex could like in decoupling the Flex Framework from
>> the Adobe runtimes of Flash Player and AIR.
>>>>> There has to be a road-map to get off Flex and build in other
>> technologies and frameworks to mitigate the risk of the unknown future of
>> flex.
>>>> Apache doesn't really work on the "Roadmap" route.  The Flex project is
>> "Staffed" with a bunch of volunteers with differing commitments and
>> priorities.  That is different from a formal product from a public
>> corporation.  For all intents and purposes. we do want we want.
>>>>> I think the first line of defense would be for Apache Flex to get into
>> dialog with Apple, Google, and Microsoft on the support of Flash Player
>> Plugins and Runtimes.
>>>> And how can we help you with that?
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