incubator-flex-users mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From Gary Griswold <g...@shortsands.com>
Subject Re: What is the general perception of Apache Flex and Flash in mid 2012?
Date Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:59:38 GMT
Peter,

Sorry, it was my mistake.  I was referring to Jonathan Campo's recent call for us to all get
to work.  But, in re-reading the email I see that he has a gmail address, and is probably
not a google employee.

Gary


On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Peter Elst wrote:

> Sorry if I missed something - what author of the last 'rant' are you
> referring to - would be nice to hear if there's a colleague at Google
> involved in Apache Flex.
> 
> - Peter
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Gary Griswold <gary@shortsands.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am the sole software developer of a small publisher and I do that as a
>> volunteer.  It is not feasible that I would also contribute to the Flex
>> project, but the author of this last 'rant' works at Google.  If Google is
>> permitting you to work on Flex then the rest of us who use Flex are greatly
>> indebted to you.
>> 
>> But are you suggesting that those who are unable to contribute should have
>> no voice in the process?
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Campos wrote:
>> 
>>> While I enjoy watching the banter this exact conversation has played out
>>> many times before.
>>> 
>>> So let me skip to the end.
>>> 
>>> You, have an amazing idea to completely change Flex and make it super
>>> awesome.
>>> 
>>> We, are a community happy to help and develop.
>>> 
>>> Rather than spending effort sending emails start coding. With code people
>>> can see direction and join up and take action.
>>> 
>>> You want a cross compiler?! Awesome! Start making it and others will
>>> follow. I know of many side projects in the work all to help the
>> community.
>>> I have one of my own right now.
>>> 
>>> The most helpful thing you can do is start writing code or making a plan
>> of
>>> attack that others can join in on. So let's get back to coding and make
>>> something amazing.
>>> On Jun 27, 2012 8:35 AM, "Desai, Ashish S" <ashish.s.desai@jpmorgan.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Precisely yes. So we should have at least some focus on building cross
>>>> compilers that perform as beautifully as the Flex in Flash Runtime does
>> and
>>>> then Voila, we have devised an amazing framework that the world would
>> want
>>>> to use.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ashish
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Gary Griswold [mailto:gary.griswold@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gary
>>>> Griswold
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:30 AM
>>>> To: flex-users@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: What is the general perception of Apache Flex and Flash in
>>>> mid 2012?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to second Brett's motion.  The best possible direction for
>>>> Apache Flex would be if it ran in a JS runtime on all devices.  Some
>>>> animation capabilities would be lost, but I don't think most Flex
>>>> developers would miss them.  And someone would need to develop the big
>>>> components, like DataGrid and Charts.  I don't know how many people need
>>>> Advanced Data Grid or the recently added OLAP features.  Possibly, some
>>>> complex and little used features would be jettisoned in order to make
>> the
>>>> transition to JS.
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Brett Adam wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> IMHO Flex needs to become decoupled from Flash to have continued
>>>> relevance and an opportunity to grow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm currently at Velocity in Santa Clara and have heard repeated
>>>> derisive laughter from large audiences of IT operations folk whenever
>> Flash
>>>> has been mentioned by a presenter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To me this drives home an important point: it's not just the browser
>>>> providers and device vendors that dislike Flash: it's the guys that run
>> the
>>>> severs as well.  Opposition on two fronts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As a Flex developer, the prospect of using cobbled together toolkits
to
>>>> do JavaScript dev leaves me feeling like my fingers have been cut off.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The main reasons are ActionScript3 vs JavaScript and the consistency
>> and
>>>> breadth of the Flex framework vs the patchwork of JavaScript components
>> and
>>>> tooling.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Neither of which should be coupled to Flash IMHO
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh how I wish AS3 were available in a plain browser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> $0.02
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brett
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 7:58, Jeffry Houser <jeffry@dot-com-it.com>
wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/27/2012 10:24 AM, Desai, Ashish S wrote:
>>>>>>> I think there is a lack of trust among big enterprises investing
in
>>>> Flex, on the survival story of Flash/Flex. While it is true that for
>> large
>>>> complex projects Action Script and Flex are the best platforms, the
>> future
>>>> of Flash/Flex lies in major OS vendors providing support for the Flash
>>>> Player Runtime.
>>>>>> Or the future of Flex could like in decoupling the Flex Framework
from
>>>> the Adobe runtimes of Flash Player and AIR.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There has to be a road-map to get off Flex and build in other
>>>> technologies and frameworks to mitigate the risk of the unknown future
>> of
>>>> flex.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apache doesn't really work on the "Roadmap" route.  The Flex project
>> is
>>>> "Staffed" with a bunch of volunteers with differing commitments and
>>>> priorities.  That is different from a formal product from a public
>>>> corporation.  For all intents and purposes. we do want we want.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think the first line of defense would be for Apache Flex to
get
>> into
>>>> dialog with Apple, Google, and Microsoft on the support of Flash Player
>>>> Plugins and Runtimes.
>>>>>> And how can we help you with that?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jeffry Houser
>>>>>> Technical Entrepreneur
>>>>>> 203-379-0773
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> http://www.flextras.com?c=104
>>>>>> UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready!
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> http://www.theflexshow.com
>>>>>> http://www.jeffryhouser.com
>>>>>> http://www.asktheflexpert.com
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and
>>>> conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of
>>>> securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses,
>>>> confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers,
>>>> available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email.
>>>> 
>> 
>> 


Mime
View raw message