Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CC38E803 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21479 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jan 2013 17:38:07 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 21442 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jan 2013 17:38:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 21434 invoked by uid 99); 4 Jan 2013 17:38:07 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:38:07 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FRT_ADOBE2,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [69.167.147.50] (HELO franklin.liquidweb.com) (69.167.147.50) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:38:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50241) by franklin.liquidweb.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1TrBD9-0006Uj-Ff for flex-dev@incubator.apache.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 12:37:39 -0500 Received: from 70.20.58.119 ([70.20.58.119]) by franklin.liquidweb.com (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 12:37:39 -0500 Message-ID: <20130104123739.15661jmndtbvr337@franklin.liquidweb.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 12:37:39 -0500 From: Michael Schmalle To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] taking Apache Flex to the next level References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Dynamic Internet Messaging Program (DIMP) H3 (1.1.8) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - franklin.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - teotigraphix.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: franklin.liquidweb.com: authenticated_id: teotigra/from_h X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Quoting Alex Harui : > > > > On 1/4/13 8:38 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: > >> Alex, I see where you're coming from, and I don't necessarily disagree >> on principle, but your statement does not compute: >> >> Success is meeting or exceeding expectations, but this project can't >> have expectations because of the way it's set up... Does this mean you >> don't see any way for this project to be successful? > The further into the future you try to set expectations, the more error you > are likely to have when you have volunteer workforces, and therefore there > is a greater chance that you won't meet those expectations. > > But good marketing of the present sets expectations properly and folks can > immediately find out that it not only works as expected, but works better > than expected. > > That's how I think we can be successful as a project. By cranking out > releases that solve problems for people and showing people that they can > solve their problems today. > > Anything we say about the future right now is likely to be met with > suspicion anyway. I think this is a critical year for Flex. We have to > build a track record of releases that show that we are making progress. And here in sits the outside view. Since anything that is in whiteboards or not included with releases in the next years will fall on deaf ears... Unless the blog is updated regularly, the website has layman terms explanations of current projects (maybe more conducive to actually clicking links and "discovering what we are about"), right now it looks like a developers site, not a users site. Why would a user venture past the "download" link if it resembles a "how to build the sdk or checkout code. I'm not a web designer nor have the time for it but that is a HUGE weak link right there and the blog. Plus it's all free advertising that we are not totally taking advantage of. Ans I agree, I can't guarantee I will be here in 1 month let alone 1 year. But Alex is right, the advertisement is about the now. Mike > -- > Alex Harui > Flex SDK Team > Adobe Systems, Inc. > http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui > > -- Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC http://www.teotigraphix.com http://blog.teotigraphix.com