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From: Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:30:01 -0800
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Subject: Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
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On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Michael A. Labriola <
labriola@digitalprimates.net> wrote:

> >Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's
> >fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do
> >prospective committers, don't you?
>
> Well, to be fair, I sort of actually hate that too...
>
> What does it mean to commit time to a project like this? Is it only code
> commits that count? That seems like a narrow vision of what's important to
> a project like this.
>
> What about people who present, write about or educate on Flex? Worked on
> getting/keeping Flex inside of corporations during our transition time to
> Apache? People raising awareness... you get the point. If there is one
> thing I find a little disturbing about the idea of PMC and Committers being
> the same group is that it seems to value code commits above all else. In my
> opinion that is a fraction of what makes any project/product successful.
>
> When I first read about Apache I actually thought these were two separate
> groups most of the time and found it slightly disappointing that they seem
> to be more aligned than not.
>
> Mike
>
>
You are right, PMC members dont necessarily have to contribute code.  But
they have to contribute something - anything.  Pick from the list you
mentioned.  We also have committers who are not PMC members.  We have been
careful not to automatically elevate a committer to a PMC member.

There are a fairly significant number of non-coders in the current PMC.
 Maybe they should actively recruit folks that do interaction design,
evangelism, etc.  The lack of such activity does not mean that we should
not invite new coders/committers into Apache Flex.

More of both is what we need.  I have personally reached out to non-coders
who have been active on this list to see if they are interested in becoming
PPMC members.  And we should all be doing that regularly.

But this is tangential to the current discussion.  Erik raises a valid
question here.  We are at the cusp of graduating and we need to figure out
what standards we want an Apache Flex PMC member should be held to.  Lets
all agree to a standard and start adhering to it.

Thanks,
Om

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