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From Carol Frampton <cfram...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members
Date Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:05:12 GMT


On 11/15/12 4 :44PM, "Erik de Bruin" <erik@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:

>Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's
>fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do
>prospective committers, don't you?

I don't think it works that way.  Once you're a committer you're in,
except perhaps if your behavior is so destructive to the community you are
asked to leave.

How do you hold someone to those standards and not kick them out if the
standards aren't met?

Carol

>
>EdB
>
>
>
>On Thursday, November 15, 2012, Carol Frampton wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/12 3 :45PM, "Erik de Bruin" <erik@ixsoftware.nl <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I for one think PMC members should show a little more merit than
>>sending
>> >one email they want to be PMC members. This is after all not the
>>initial
>> >sign up for the PPMC, and the Apache organisation is a meritocracy.
>> >
>> >How about the previously inactive members asking to be kept on as PMC
>> >members write up their motivation and intended contribution to the
>> >project,
>> >like Michelle did?
>>
>> I wouldn't be so quick to kick Michael out.  I've shown the Apache Flex
>> installer GUI to him a few times to get ideas how to improve it.  Also I
>> just submitted a few of his accessibility patches from the Adobe
>>flex.next
>> work.
>>
>> And has been said before, intended contribution is not a contribution,
>>so
>> I don't really see how what you are asking for really makes a
>>difference.
>> Either everyone who hasn't "contributed", whatever that means, is left
>>off
>> the list, or any one who wants to is welcome to stay as a member.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>> >EdB
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Michael Jordan
>><mijordan@adobe.com<javascript:;>
>> >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'd like to remain on the PMC after graduation.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>   Michael
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Michael Jordan
>> >> Accessibility Engineer
>> >> Adobe
>> >> 781.839.1517x31517 (tel)
>> >> 617.347.9154 (cell)
>> >> mijordan@adobe.com <javascript:;>
>> >> 21 Hickory Drive
>> >> Waltham, MA, 02451 USA
>> >> blogs.adobe.com/accessibility <http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 11/14/12 2:43 PM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> >In order to graduate, we have to prepare a list of initial PMC
>>members.
>> >> >Apache has a precedence of removing folks inactive during incubation
>> >>from
>> >> >the project¹s PMC.  Erik tallied up activity of commits and emails
>>from
>> >> >our team list at [1].
>> >> >
>> >> >Here is the list of folks who never got their Apache accounts set
>>up to
>> >> >participate during incubation at all.  Reply soon if you wish to
>>remain
>> >> >on the PMC after graduation.  Even then, there is a chance some
>>higher
>> >> >authority at Apache will remove you.
>> >> >
>> >> >Adam Flater
>> >> >Anatole Tartakovsky
>> >> >Ben Kolin
>> >> >Gabor Csomak
>> >> >Pratyoosh Sharma
>> >> >
>> >> >Next is the list of folks who have been the least active.  Again, if
>> >>you
>> >> >want to remain on the PMC after graduation, reply now, and again,
>>some
>> >> >higher authority may still have you removed.
>> >> >
>> >> >Garth Braithwaite
>> >> >Greg Owen
>> >> >Jeff Boothe
>> >> >Jon Rose
>> >> >Michael Jordan
>> >> >Michelle Yaiser
>> >> >Stephen Gilson
>> >> >
>> >> >Remember, even if you are not on the list as we graduate you can
>>always
>> >> >re-gain your status by contributing in the future, and we are
>>thankful
>> >> >for any support you have given to Flex in the past or will in the
>> >>future.
>> >> >
>> >> >[1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/team.html
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Alex Harui
>> >> >Flex SDK Team
>> >> >Adobe Systems, Inc.
>> >> >http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Ix Multimedia Software
>> >
>> >Jan Luykenstraat 27
>> >3521 VB Utrecht
>> >
>> >T. 06-51952295
>> >I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>>
>>
>
>-- 
>Ix Multimedia Software
>
>Jan Luykenstraat 27
>3521 VB Utrecht
>
>T. 06-51952295
>I. www.ixsoftware.nl

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