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From Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com>
Subject Re: Randori framework [was Re: What to expect from FalconJS]
Date Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:31:06 GMT
Hi Mike,

I just saw the slides and it's very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Various thoughts/questions here:

* You say this could be C#/Java/AS and so on... I think you start in C#
because you already have that js cross-compiler. You thoughts are about
making the same in different platform versions in the end?.

* I understand that the final goal is that you end programming in your
platform and don't touch JS...all will be in C# (or Java, or AS, or
Haxe,...)

* For me the browsers VM is a real problem. Each one is diferent and
fragmentation is a nightmare. In the end for me, in the past, all
technologies wich is final product was HTML/JS where off consideration
since the final technology was bad. (i.e: Java Server Faces, JSP, ...)

* This approach seems to only take into account HTML/JS, and I think that
it should have SWF, and other output possibilities. For me HTML/JS would be
powerful to be ok with people demanding HTML5, but having the "advanced"
solution to target Flash, mobile, etc...

* This is too new for me, but I'm learning how Haxe works and I see that
they generates complete native projects. So you develop in Haxe and the
output is native ios, android, flash, HTML...and so on. I think that your
framework could fit very well in that space, what do you think?

Again, thanks for share your vision. Very inspiring one.

Best,

Carlos



2012/11/17 Michael A. Labriola <labriola@digitalprimates.net>

> >What I don't get is, Mike said all these other companies that had
> compiler engineers are not here, meaning they are somewhere else. So Mike
> has put his time working with C# and a cross compiler /JS framework.
>
> Actually, I found a really good cross-compiler from C# to JS that was
> extensible. So, instead of inventing the wheel to do a POC, I used
> something off the shelf. If FalconJS was here and extensible, I would have
> built it on top of that first.
>
> >Mike Does this have anything to do with this project? Or are you planning
> on heading in your own direction with the Randori framework?
>
> I think there are some borders and it will really depend on this group and
> what we all want to do. Randori isn’t really just about C#, it's more of an
> idea that we could do with Java/C#/AS/Whatever. I could see Flex being a
> component framework that follows a strategy and exists in the space to all
> a familiar development paradigm. I just don’t want to make the same
> mistakes that I think we have with Flex now.
>
> >BTW Mike, I really do agree with how you summarized the problems that are
> occurring today with Javascript and the View layer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> Quoting Joan Llenas Masó <joan@garnetworks.com>:
>
> > I think I'm able to get your point after watching these slides and
> > mixing it together with what you mentioned earlier on in another thread.
> > So instead of going through direct UI AS3->{MyOutputTargetOfChioce}
> > translation we just concentrate our efforts in the business logic code
> > translation AS3->{MyOutputTargetOfChioce}.
> > The views on the other hand are implemented natively in the language
> > of choice, being it AS3, JS or whatever.
> > Finally MXML comes to rescue giving us the power of componetization
> > and view declaration.
> > This way we can implement same set of components for different output
> > targets but declare them in the same way.
> > FalconJS will take care of the rest.
> >
> > Am I right? or did I make my own movie...
> >
> > Anyway, I see maaaaany advantages here. Wow, I love it. This is
> > actually the essence of Flex taken to the next level :) Well, I see
> > Haxe fitting here as well. Actually we could plug many packaging tools
> > in the FlaconJS "output port".
> >
> > Can't wait to see more!
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:57 AM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >>  In the meantime, make sure you look at the slide deck from
> >> >> Michael Labriola¹s 360Min presentation on how he is developing apps
> for HTML.
> >>  I¹m
> >> >> sure he¹ll reply with the link
> >> >
> >> > Is the slidedeck already pulished somewhere?
> >> >
> >>
> >> http://www.slideshare.net/michael.labriola/randori-design-goals-and-j
> >> ustific
> >> ation
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alex Harui
> >> Flex SDK Team
> >> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> >> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
> http://www.teotigraphix.com
> http://blog.teotigraphix.com
>
>


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