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From Nicholas Kwiatkowski <nicho...@spoon.as>
Subject Re: [FALCON] It starts with an idea
Date Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:23:44 GMT
That is the current definition of what it is.  The Apache Flex SDK is a
framework written in AS3.  Where the code ends up I don't think is
something that really concerns me (as long as the targets I need I can
still get to).  Really, this is no different than taking this compiled SWF
data and distributing it with AIR (which is the most popular method right
now)... except we would skip the SWF output part and deploy right to the
device.

I say go for it.  If you have the passion, go ahead.  I doubt any of the
other committers would stop you (rather I'm sure they will help you along).

-Nick

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:07 AM, Carlos Rovira <
carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:

> Just only a thought... Apache Flex definition is "Apache Flex® is a highly
> productive, open source application framework for building and maintaining
> expressive web applications that deploy consistently on all major browsers,
> desktops and devices (including smartphones, tablets and tv)"
>
> So while the Mike's android idea is interesting does not seems to fit the
> goal of this project. Or I missing something?. I think that the effort is
> android-only, so not cross-platform.
>
> My key points here is: whatever you want to do is up to you, but to be part
> of Apache Flex should be aligned with the main focus and goal of the
> project. If you use the Falcon compiler to make something useful but
> different, I think it could be a brand new project, that could have sense
> in its own.
>
> I think that if we does not focus in a set of targets as a group with a
> shared clear idea in mind that make this project evolve in the way people
> expect, this could make users abandon this project as the time pass in
> favor of other technologies/frameworks and make Flex obsolete.
>
> For HTML5 and JS my feeling is that the hype should start to fall since the
> performance is very poor compared to native development or opengl based
> technologies (like stage3d), -my think is  if a genius like Grant Skinner
> could not bring better performance with easelJS no body can-. I don't like
> to continue attached to Flash VM since the press is very bad and
> Adobe/Google is finishing to kill a fantastic product due to decisions made
> with Chrome Pepper API. But nowadays I don't see other option since
> browsers continue to promote JS virtual machines without making it go to
> the same level Flash has today...what is inaceptable as a replacement.
>
>
>
>
> 2012/11/15 aYo ~ <ayo@binitie.com>
>
> > "Yes, I am only talking about Android here, that is what I use. I really
> > never see myself developing on iOS, so why would I even care about it.
> ;-)"
> >
> > Do I hear my voice echo? Dude, I really need to know you. ;-)
> > On Nov 15, 2012 12:40 AM, "Michael Schmalle" <apache@teotigraphix.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Well I can guarantee my development is strictly native Android for the
> > > next couple years at least hopefully a lot longer.
> > >
> > > I could see myself contributing a huge amount of my own resources if I
> > > somehow tied that into my Android endeavors. Creating an abstraction of
> > > their UI stuff would be really fun and could turn into something I
> hadn't
> > > even thought of.
> > >
> > > Yes, I am only talking about Android here, that is what I use. I really
> > > never see myself developing on iOS, so why would I even care about it.
> > ;-)
> > >
> > > When I write tools I always aim for an abstract structure, dealing with
> > > MXML we already have it. So if this falls under your HTML5/Web 42 cross
> > > compilation, think tank, cloud computing blah blah blah, then great! If
> > > not, it does for me. :) (general statement, not aimed at you aYo)
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Quoting aYo ~ <ayo@binitie.com>:
> > >
> > >  a lot of my current work is now AIR and native Android based. Coming
> > from
> > >> a
> > >> flash flex background, I found droid development a lot easier  because
> > of
> > >> its similarity to flex development. Michael has a bijou of an idea
> here.
> > >> On 14 Nov 2012 23:34, "Michael Schmalle" <apache@teotigraphix.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  Yes, it does exist and Google has don a fine job promoting their
> layout
> > >>> designer etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> Coming from years of Flex development and MXML application design I
> can
> > >>> certainly say that although using XML as they do is great, having a
> > >>> compiler like the MXML compiler could offer a huge abstraction that
> > their
> > >>> XML could not match.
> > >>>
> > >>> Plus the extension side of being able to produce their layout XML OR
> > >>> straight Java constructs is compelling enough for me to want to try
> it.
> > >>>
> > >>> One of the great things I am realizing about Apache is I don't work
> > for a
> > >>> corporation and even the WC3. I work for myself fulfilling something
> I
> > >>> see
> > >>> that could help "something", maybe myself as centered as that sounds.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regardless of this idea I have, my point is this. One of Adobe's
> > >>> marketing
> > >>> schemes was to throw crap on every wall possible and market it as
> such
> > >>> with
> > >>> huge holes in between.
> > >>>
> > >>> Apache Flex will get a new life if us committers and community
> realize
> > it
> > >>> didn't work then and it won't work now. (The one size fits all). I
> want
> > >>> to
> > >>> start off with point specific tools that do 1 thing. I have developed
> > >>> enough tools to know you don't invent a swiss army knife until you
> have
> > >>> invented the knife, screwdriver, cork opener etc. Once you have all
> the
> > >>> tools you can then put them together.
> > >>>
> > >>> As far a JavFX well, I don't know I haven't used it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Like I said, I have no stake in Flex and I want to stay away from the
> > >>> Flash Player and AIR. This doesn't mean I won't contribute if
> momentum
> > >>> goes
> > >>> in a certain direction, just that I want my own dream that isn't
> canned
> > >>> into the cliche'd 2012 HTML5 hype.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Quoting Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com****>:
> > >>>
> > >>>  Hi Michael,
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> could you explain a bit more?. Your idea is about make XML layout
> for
> > >>>> Android based on Falcon?. I don't know to much about native android
> > >>>> development but this does not exit yet?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> btw, a coworker showed me latest version of JavaFX and I think
it
> > would
> > >>>> be
> > >>>> a good idea for all of us here to see this new version since I
think
> > >>>> it's
> > >>>> very promising. I saw many things copied from flex (skins,
> skinparts,
> > >>>> xml
> > >>>> layout declaration, netbeans desing view editor,...). If JavaFx
is
> as
> > >>>> good
> > >>>> as it seems to be, I think it could be a decent competitor, taking
> > into
> > >>>> account that thinks like eclipse, maven and other industrial tools
> > work
> > >>>> like a charm in java.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2012/11/14 Gordon Smith <gosmith@adobe.com>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  > MXML -> Java Android UI like View and ViewGroup.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Interesting idea!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.****com<
> > >>>>> apache@teotigraphix.com>
> > >>>>> ]
> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:07 PM
> > >>>>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > >>>>> Subject: [FALCON] It starts with an idea
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hey,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I just wanted to state this in a new thread so others might
know my
> > >>>>> intentions as a committer for the time being. Some of you might
> have
> > >>>>> noticed I am quite interested in the compiler and plan on donating
> a
> > >>>>> lot
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>> my time to it helping Gordon out with tests and trying to get
the
> > >>>>> community
> > >>>>> involved by documenting some of the more obscure features.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> One thing I want to note;
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> At this point in time in my life I really don't care about
> > Javascript.
> > >>>>> Really, I don't and it's never going to be a badge on my backpack
> of
> > >>>>> life.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That being said, I see my contribution in the project a process
of
> > joy
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>> invention. Just writing something to Gordon a second ago I
realized
> > >>>>> what
> > >>>>> that is. The only way I can continue is if I have a goal. That
goal
> > is
> > >>>>> realized by the fact I program Java android and do extensive
UI
> stuff
> > >>>>> with
> > >>>>> music applications I have coming up in the next 2 years using
a
> Java
> > >>>>> C++
> > >>>>> toolkit I have been working on the last
> > >>>>> 10 months.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> What does this mean? MXML -> Java Android UI like View and
> ViewGroup.
> > >>>>> Man I have no idea how the hell I could do it but I know I
want to
> > and
> > >>>>> am
> > >>>>> going to try.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Getting into the MXML compiler the last couple days reminded
me of
> > the
> > >>>>> diamond in the haystack we have.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Anyway, more thoughts to come, this was a off the cuff ramble.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Peace,
> > >>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
> > >>>>> http://www.teotigraphix.com
> > >>>>> http://blog.teotigraphix.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Carlos Rovira
> > >>>> Director de Tecnología
> > >>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> > >>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
> > >>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> > >>>> http://www.directwriter.es
> > >>>> http://www.avant2.es
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  --
> > >>> Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
> > >>> http://www.teotigraphix.com
> > >>> http://blog.teotigraphix.com
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
> > > http://www.teotigraphix.com
> > > http://blog.teotigraphix.com
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> Director de Tecnología
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> http://www.directwriter.es
> http://www.avant2.es
>

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