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From "aYo ~" <...@binitie.com>
Subject Re: [FALCON] It starts with an idea
Date Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:19:00 GMT
"Yes, I am only talking about Android here, that is what I use. I really
never see myself developing on iOS, so why would I even care about it. ;-)"

Do I hear my voice echo? Dude, I really need to know you. ;-)
On Nov 15, 2012 12:40 AM, "Michael Schmalle" <apache@teotigraphix.com>
wrote:

> Well I can guarantee my development is strictly native Android for the
> next couple years at least hopefully a lot longer.
>
> I could see myself contributing a huge amount of my own resources if I
> somehow tied that into my Android endeavors. Creating an abstraction of
> their UI stuff would be really fun and could turn into something I hadn't
> even thought of.
>
> Yes, I am only talking about Android here, that is what I use. I really
> never see myself developing on iOS, so why would I even care about it. ;-)
>
> When I write tools I always aim for an abstract structure, dealing with
> MXML we already have it. So if this falls under your HTML5/Web 42 cross
> compilation, think tank, cloud computing blah blah blah, then great! If
> not, it does for me. :) (general statement, not aimed at you aYo)
>
> Mike
>
> Quoting aYo ~ <ayo@binitie.com>:
>
>  a lot of my current work is now AIR and native Android based. Coming from
>> a
>> flash flex background, I found droid development a lot easier  because of
>> its similarity to flex development. Michael has a bijou of an idea here.
>> On 14 Nov 2012 23:34, "Michael Schmalle" <apache@teotigraphix.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Yes, it does exist and Google has don a fine job promoting their layout
>>> designer etc.
>>>
>>> Coming from years of Flex development and MXML application design I can
>>> certainly say that although using XML as they do is great, having a
>>> compiler like the MXML compiler could offer a huge abstraction that their
>>> XML could not match.
>>>
>>> Plus the extension side of being able to produce their layout XML OR
>>> straight Java constructs is compelling enough for me to want to try it.
>>>
>>> One of the great things I am realizing about Apache is I don't work for a
>>> corporation and even the WC3. I work for myself fulfilling something I
>>> see
>>> that could help "something", maybe myself as centered as that sounds.
>>>
>>> Regardless of this idea I have, my point is this. One of Adobe's
>>> marketing
>>> schemes was to throw crap on every wall possible and market it as such
>>> with
>>> huge holes in between.
>>>
>>> Apache Flex will get a new life if us committers and community realize it
>>> didn't work then and it won't work now. (The one size fits all). I want
>>> to
>>> start off with point specific tools that do 1 thing. I have developed
>>> enough tools to know you don't invent a swiss army knife until you have
>>> invented the knife, screwdriver, cork opener etc. Once you have all the
>>> tools you can then put them together.
>>>
>>> As far a JavFX well, I don't know I haven't used it.
>>>
>>> Like I said, I have no stake in Flex and I want to stay away from the
>>> Flash Player and AIR. This doesn't mean I won't contribute if momentum
>>> goes
>>> in a certain direction, just that I want my own dream that isn't canned
>>> into the cliche'd 2012 HTML5 hype.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com****>:
>>>
>>>  Hi Michael,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> could you explain a bit more?. Your idea is about make XML layout for
>>>> Android based on Falcon?. I don't know to much about native android
>>>> development but this does not exit yet?
>>>>
>>>> btw, a coworker showed me latest version of JavaFX and I think it would
>>>> be
>>>> a good idea for all of us here to see this new version since I think
>>>> it's
>>>> very promising. I saw many things copied from flex (skins, skinparts,
>>>> xml
>>>> layout declaration, netbeans desing view editor,...). If JavaFx is as
>>>> good
>>>> as it seems to be, I think it could be a decent competitor, taking into
>>>> account that thinks like eclipse, maven and other industrial tools work
>>>> like a charm in java.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2012/11/14 Gordon Smith <gosmith@adobe.com>
>>>>
>>>>  > MXML -> Java Android UI like View and ViewGroup.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting idea!
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apache@teotigraphix.****com<
>>>>> apache@teotigraphix.com>
>>>>> ]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:07 PM
>>>>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: [FALCON] It starts with an idea
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wanted to state this in a new thread so others might know my
>>>>> intentions as a committer for the time being. Some of you might have
>>>>> noticed I am quite interested in the compiler and plan on donating a
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of
>>>>> my time to it helping Gordon out with tests and trying to get the
>>>>> community
>>>>> involved by documenting some of the more obscure features.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I want to note;
>>>>>
>>>>> At this point in time in my life I really don't care about Javascript.
>>>>> Really, I don't and it's never going to be a badge on my backpack of
>>>>> life.
>>>>>
>>>>> That being said, I see my contribution in the project a process of joy
>>>>> and
>>>>> invention. Just writing something to Gordon a second ago I realized
>>>>> what
>>>>> that is. The only way I can continue is if I have a goal. That goal is
>>>>> realized by the fact I program Java android and do extensive UI stuff
>>>>> with
>>>>> music applications I have coming up in the next 2 years using a Java
>>>>> C++
>>>>> toolkit I have been working on the last
>>>>> 10 months.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does this mean? MXML -> Java Android UI like View and ViewGroup.
>>>>> Man I have no idea how the hell I could do it but I know I want to and
>>>>> am
>>>>> going to try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting into the MXML compiler the last couple days reminded me of the
>>>>> diamond in the haystack we have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, more thoughts to come, this was a off the cuff ramble.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peace,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
>>>>> http://www.teotigraphix.com
>>>>> http://blog.teotigraphix.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carlos Rovira
>>>> Director de TecnologĂ­a
>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
>>>> http://www.avant2.es
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>> Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
>>> http://www.teotigraphix.com
>>> http://blog.teotigraphix.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> --
> Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
> http://www.teotigraphix.com
> http://blog.teotigraphix.com
>
>

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