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From sébastien Paturel <sebpatu.f...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Flex 5 in haxe
Date Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:53:15 GMT
Hi,
it sounds quite like a short term vision to me.
yes i agree that flex is still good solution for TODAY running on Adobes 
runtimes.
maybe for a few years also but its risky and totally Adobe dependant.

Of course theres better JS fraework for HTML5, because flex don't 
support HTML5. Flex is not an alternative, so how could there be better 
alternatives on the market?
Before flex was able to create native mobile apps, you or your customers 
would have never think of Flex for that.
Now it can do it then it becomes a viable alternative.
So if Flex support an HTML5 output, it will be the same result.

We all agree that in the short term flex would have little value to run 
on HTML5 has it is TODAY.
But when tomorrow, with better performances of HTML5, Flex could become 
the best RIA framework for HTML5 output. why not?

"Let s keep it honest. Flex is simply a non factor on mobile and will 
never be a major player. No matter how we turn it."
What makes you say that?
its not a big player because as soon as it was able to run efficiently 
with 4.6 Adobe dropped it with all the mess we know.
thats only pessimism.

"Our focus should be on making Flex even better for Desktop RIA"
But what you do when Desktops are only tablets OS and Adobe runtimes are 
not running on it?
And what you do when webApps get more popular than natives apps in 6 
years for example and theres still no flash player in mobile browsers?


Le 16/11/2012 18:33, Alain Ekambi a écrit :
> Hello folks,
>
> I would like to add my 2 cents to this interesing discussion.
>
> First let me share my experience with the Flash platform.
>
> We  have been building Flash based solutions  for many years now.
> We have  different set of products mostly based on GWT that cover all the
> spectrum (Native mobile, HTML5 mobile, HTML5 Desktop, Flex, AIR ).
> And i can tell you that our Flash based products are by faar the most
> succesfull !
> Hard to believe no ?
>
> A couple of weeks we had a beta release for the version 3 of our GWT
> binding for Flash (http://emitrom.com/flash4j-beta).
> Download numbers were just insane ! Breaking every records we ever had for
> a products.
> And that after all all the bad moves done by Adobe.
>
>
> For what I can say 99% of our customers (And we have some big ones)  use
> our Flash products  because it runs on the Flash player!
> Not because it could compile down the JS.
>
> With all the respect there are simply way better JS based libraries.
> If i want to target HTML5/JS/CSS today(and tomorrow) i def wont be thinking
> about Flex/MXML/AS3.
> The same apply for our customers.
>
> Some of you are talking about Flex/AIR on mobile and think that an HTML5
>   output will make things better.
> Let s keep it honest. Flex is simply a non factor on mobile and will never
> be a major player.
> No matter how we turn it.
> And compiling to HTML5 wont change that. There are simply better
> alternative on the market.
>
>
> I ve said it many times on this forum.
> All this talk about going  HTML5 with Flex is nice and surelly interesting
> from a technical point.
> But brings nothing to most customers.
>
>
> Our focus should be on making Flex even better for Desktop RIA (I do have
> some plans with FaBridge that i hope i will be able to commnunicate soon).
>
>
> The rest is simply waste of energy and time.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> 2012/11/16 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> as someone with lots of apps and products written in current Flex, I would
>> want to continue with my products migration to new versions. But the
>> reality out there is that all ways points to a new rewrite. I'm sure there
>> are people here that wants maintain and evolutione the actual framework,
>> great!
>>
>> I, as others prefer a new child, so I would spend my time in that kind of
>> effort.
>>
>> btw, I see that mostly my apps and products will end if Flex 4.x, but maybe
>> some day could be migrated to the new Flex 5.x . All depends on how good
>> that new framework came and if gets the necesary traction to mimic the
>> actual Flex 4.x. Only time will tell, in the mean while, I'll try to
>> upgrade to new Apache Flex official releases to stay up to the latest
>> versions...
>>
>>
>> 2012/11/16 Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> a new flex 5 from scratch concept would not be trying to be compatible
>>> backwards.
>>> So it's not Flex then but a new framework. I'm sure that would be fun,
>> but
>>> how would that serve the current users of the Flex framework? Would there
>>> be a clear migration path?
>>>
>>>> If the task of write a new Flex is huge...
>>> So let don't and try and improved the one we do have, it's sounds a lot
>>> easier to do and more useful to me.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion, and you're free to do what you want on an Apache
>> project,
>>> so don't let me stop you :-)
>>>
>>> Justin
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Rovira
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>>


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