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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 19:20:33 -0400
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Subject: Re: Any news about FalconJS donation? (was: Financing the Design View
 AIR App (Was: Re: Design View AIR App))
From: Charles Monteiro <charles.monteiro@gmail.com>
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
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Not getting this air is very much cross platform , running on desktops ,
android , ios,  it seems win surface rtf
On Oct 5, 2012 12:21 PM, "FORMER 03 | Robert Brendler" <
robert.brendler@former03.de> wrote:

> I'd also like to drop some comment on this ...
>
> I don't know how it is with you guys, but most of the projects I am
> getting nowadays are required to be cross platform ... or better said ...
> "can you make it run on my iPad? do I really need another app for it, I
> already got like 3 million of them" ... Although I really enjoy working
> with Flex, I usually switch to html-js-css when it comes to the
> cross-platform or code-once topic, which is a step back in terms of comfo=
rt
> and speed for my development, but that is what the client wants and pays
> for. You should not blame Adobe for not continuing flex and catalyst but
> rather Mr. Jobs for declaring war on flash, and lets be honest thats a fa=
ct
> that we are facing a couple of years already, get over it. As a replaceme=
nt
> I found jquery-ui to be not that bad. It gives you the "small subset" of
> flex and is available now, even with some ui effects.
>
> On the other hand if there is a project that depends on the strengths of
> flash (effects, rendering, ...) or if I am in an enterprise project that
> only runs in an enclosed environment, where there is a company that can
> dictate their employees which tool to use, I go back to flex. But in thes=
e
> cases there is no need for a conversion to js, it probably wouldn't bring
> an advantage cause it won't run as fast or make any difference other than
> the used technology, correct me if I'm wrong. And in case they still want
> something to play for their ipads I do a little html web interface that
> talks to the same services, those kind of clients usually can afford it.
>
> The only thing I could imagine that really needs both performant renderin=
g
> and cross-platform compatibility are games ... but if you wanna walk down
> that path you are better off with C/C++ anyway.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
>
> On 05.10.2012 16:27, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>> FalconJS is not under development.  A prototype was built several months
>> ago, but no serious work has been done on it since.  I should be able to
>> start on its legal review next week.
>>
>>
>> On 10/5/12 7:06 AM, "filippo dipisa" <filippo@dipisa.net> wrote:
>>
>>  FOr what I understand falco js is still under development and there is
>>> just
>>> one resource on it so don't hope on it.
>>> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>> Here there is a good solution if you want  to use as to create js apps
>>>
>>> http://www.jangaroo.net/home/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 October 2012 14:53, s=E9bastien Paturel <sebpatu.flex@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Following the HTML5 targetting discussion
>>>> is there any news about the FalconJS donation, as we now have Falcon
>>>> donated, it shoudl be next?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 05/10/2012 15:46, Charles Monteiro a =E9crit :
>>>>
>>>>  I'm wondering if most in this group are more interested about targeti=
ng
>>>>> html5 than air because it seems to me it would be hard to do both wel=
l.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to run on AIR.
>>>>>    On Oct 5, 2012 9:38 AM, "s=E9bastien Paturel" <sebpatu.flex@gmail.=
com
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   I agree with others that you should abandone the idea that Adobe
>>>>> could
>>>>>
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> Catalyst back from the dead.
>>>>>> They have been pretty clear about it, and the open sourcing is not a=
n
>>>>>> option because of code dependencies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your only chance to see catalyst come back from Adobe, is to make
>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>> Flex te best framework for HTML5 runtime!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 04/10/2012 00:48, Sebastian Mohr a =E9crit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   @christofer dutz ... thanks for sharing your thoughts. +1 from my
>>>>>> side!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flash Catalyst CS5.5 is a charm for interaction designers like me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely Yours,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebastian Mohr
>>>>>>> Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
>>>>>>> Interaction Designer & Musician
>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/******masuland<http://www.linkedin.com/i=
n/****masuland>
>>>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.**com/in/**masul<http://www.linkedin.com/in/**=
masul>
>>>>>>> and>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  <http://www.linkedin.**com/in/**masuland<http://www.linkedin.**
>> com/in/masuland <http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland>>>>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2012, at 7:21 PM, christofer.dutz@c-ware.de wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Well isn't it usually that way around?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I create some general UI scetches using some tools like blamiq
>>>>>>>> mockups
>>>>>>>> and deal with negoitating the functionallity with my customers. As
>>>>>>>> soon as
>>>>>>>> the component works as desired I go "pimp my app" and give it to a
>>>>>>>> designer
>>>>>>>> to have it pimped.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Using Catalyst this was really easy (As soon as you had a desiger =
at
>>>>>>>> hand that was used to it and it's concepts). I was even able to le=
t
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> designer skin a running application deployed by me somewhere on th=
e
>>>>>>>> web, so
>>>>>>>> I didn't have give away the code of the application itself or setu=
p
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> environment at the designers office. This workflow was the major
>>>>>>>> breakthrough for me and was one of the major things that made me
>>>>>>>> shift
>>>>>>>> allmost entirely to the Flex road.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a real pitty to have it dropped and wasted :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>> Von: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Oktober 2012 18:18
>>>>>>>> An: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: AW: Financing the Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Desig=
n
>>>>>>>> View
>>>>>>>> AIR App)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/3/12 7:38 AM, "christofer.dutz@c-ware.de" <
>>>>>>>> christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Oh ... let me thow in a little more weight for the Catalyst ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I invested quite some time in setting up a project structure that
>>>>>>>>> allowed me to concentrate on developing (Using an ugly but
>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>> developer Skin) and having professional Designers use Catalyst to
>>>>>>>>> Skin
>>>>>>>>> the application.
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately it seemed that the designers available on the marke=
t
>>>>>>>>> were all even less "finished" than the Catalyst project, but as
>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>> as the designers got the hang of it, the results were pretty
>>>>>>>>> sattisfying and I had what I was allways dreaming about: Being
>>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>>> concentrate on the functionality and have a designer do all the
>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>> that sells the application (cool buttons, even greater effects an=
d
>>>>>>>>> animated transitions, ...) :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would be really happy if Adobe didn't entirely drop this tool,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> if they did, If they would somehow open-source it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    It is essentially "dropped".  See [1].   There are no plans to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  opensource
>>>>>>>> it.  It too had a lot of "baggage" that made it difficult to
>>>>>>>> implement.
>>>>>>>>    For example, it really wasn't extensible as to what components =
it
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> handle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The principle behind it (that you can take designer art and break =
it
>>>>>>>> down into components) is compelling, but I question whether it
>>>>>>>> remains
>>>>>>>> valid in a world of dynamic UI.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is also interesting to note that you used it in completely
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> way than it was intended.  It was for a design-first-then-develop
>>>>>>>> workflow
>>>>>>>> and you did it the other way (which is what I do when I have a
>>>>>>>> choice
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> well).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/******flex/whitepapers/roadmap.**html<=
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/****flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.
>>>>>>>> adobe.com/devnet/**flex/**whitepapers/roadmap.html<http://adobe.co=
m/devnet/**flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> <**http://www.adobe.com/**devnet/**flex/whitepapers/**roadmap.html=
<http://www.adobe.com/devnet/**flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html>
>>>>>>>> <http://www
>>>>>>>> .adobe.com/devnet/flex/**whitepapers/roadmap.html<http://adobe.com=
/devnet/flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>> Alex Harui
>>>>>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>>>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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