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From: Mikhail Vorobyov <vorobyov.mikhail@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:11:58 +0400
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
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Why don't you want to set AIR 3.4 and playerglobal11_4.swc for downloading
but only 3.1 and 11.1?

2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>

> It is not about 7 RCs.  The 7th RC just got enough votes and we are going
> to promote it to an actual release.
>
> Close to 20 people voted +1 and we got 2 -1s.  As a release manager, I
> think this is good enough for a release.
>
> The issue is not blocker since there is an obvious workaround.  And there
> are no security implications.
>
> I would rather release now than wait for yet another arbitrary deadline
> (4.8.1)
>
> Thanks,
> Om
> On Oct 19, 2012 8:06 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these point=
s:
> >
> > 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get mor=
e
> > involvement?
> > 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they revi=
ew
> > the dev-list and see this issue?
> > 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away
> with
> > a
> > follow-up point release
> > 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to reproduc=
e
> > it.
> > 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache
> > Flex
> > SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
> >
> > To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found late i=
n
> > the
> > game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC
> > votes
> > on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and=
 I
> > don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it
> > isn't handling strings properly.
> >
> >
> > On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello everybody,
> > >
> > > The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my las=
t
> > > email, that information may be contained on the page to access the
> > > Installer.
> > >
> > > I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the sam=
e
> > > opinion of Christophe Herreman, it=C2=B4s my opinion too. Where he sa=
id:
> > >
> > > "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead =
to
> > > frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to t=
he
> > > users."
> > >
> > > But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being
> > awaited
> > > for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apach=
e
> > Flex
> > > SDK.
> > >
> > > Erik and Om
> > >
> > > I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations
> of
> > > languages available today, and put them separate group with all the
> > > messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to ma=
ke
> > it
> > > easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you
> add
> > a
> > > new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each
> > > language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time.
> > >
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Stefan Horochovec
> > >
> > >
> > > 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
> > >
> > >> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release oft=
en
> > and
> > >> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right.
> > >>
> > >> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess.
> > >>
> > >> +1 (binding)
> > >>
> > >> regards,
> > >> Christophe
> > >>
> > >> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
> > >>>
> > >>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a
> > release
> > >>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release anything if =
we
> > >> wait
> > >>> to fix every issue that we discover.
> > >>>
> > >>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security
> > >>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer especially
> after
> > so
> > >>> many people have voted for the release.
> > >>>
> > >>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap.  We
> will
> > be
> > >>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping with an aut=
o
> > >> update
> > >>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases f=
or
> > >> sure.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Om
> > >>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
> > >>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's
> > >> current
> > >>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get
> this
> > >>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with
> the
> > >>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issues
> are
> > >>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems for
> > >>> (perhaps
> > >>>> a minor part of ) the users.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lea=
d
> to
> > >>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex t=
o
> > the
> > >>>> users.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> kind regards,
> > >>>> Christophe
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Yes...please, release....
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
> > >>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -omar
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Stefan,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's wh=
y
> I
> > >>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adress
> this
> > >>> and
> > >>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into the sourc=
e
> > >>> this
> > >>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates, a kind of
> > >>> 'vote
> > >>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do another RC=
,
> I
> > >>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people will no=
t
> > >>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have to do a
> > >>>> release.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> EdB
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec
> > >>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Erik
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating systems that
> > >> have
> > >>>>>>> language
> > >>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from en_US,
> > >> however,
> > >>>>> have to
> > >>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of the installer
> > >> for
> > >>>>> en_US.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language to en_US,
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>> installation dont work.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese):
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir do CGI.
> > >>>>>>>> Criando diret=C3=B3rio do Apache Flex
> > >>>>>>>> Criando diret=C3=B3rio tempor=C3=A1rio
> > >>>>>>>> N=C3=A3o foi poss=C3=ADvel criar o diret=C3=B3rio tempor=C3=A1=
rio
> > >>>>>>>> Instala=C3=A7=C3=A3o abortada
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 1 -
> > >>>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
> > >>>>>>>> 2 -
> > >>>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
> > >>>>>>>> 3 -
> > >>>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
> > >>>>>>>> 4 -
> > >>>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem, a time may com=
e
> > >>> that
> > >>>>>>> affect
> > >>>>>>>> a large number of people.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Stefan,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed, I'll look
> > >> into
> > >>>> your
> > >>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they will prove valid
> > >> and
> > >>>>>>>>> useful.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon, lack of true
> > >>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker for this fir=
st
> > >>>>>>>>> release?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> EdB
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec
> > >>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> -1
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment in English, but
> > >> when I
> > >>>>>>> changed
> > >>>>>>>>> my
> > >>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to test the
> > >> translations,
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> result
> > >>>>>>>>>> was not good.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license will be accepted,
> > >> just
> > >>> no
> > >>>>>>> option
> > >>>>>>>>> on
> > >>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is made the selected
> > >>>>> language.
> > >>>>>>> Ex:
> > >>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my default language.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted a patch
> > >> (which
> > >>> if
> > >>>>>>>>> accepted)
> > >>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation of default
> > >>> language
> > >>>> of
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation user's language, so
> > >>> when
> > >>>>>>> getting
> > >>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all texts, some not
> > >>>>> translated.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when the Installer is
> > >>>> launched
> > >>>>>>> on an
> > >>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation and the same is
> > >>>>> detected
> > >>>>>>> by
> > >>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for translation into
> > >>>> English.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher to vote here.
> > >>  After
> > >>>>> that I
> > >>>>>>>>> will
> > >>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Om
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton <
> > >>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > >>>>> Director de Tecnolog=C3=ADa
> > >>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> > >>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
> > >>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> > >>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
> > >>>>> http://www.avant2.es
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Christophe Herreman
> > >>>> http://www.herrodius.com
> > >>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
> > >>>> http://www.as3commons.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Christophe Herreman
> > >> http://www.herrodius.com
> > >> http://www.springactionscript.org
> > >> http://www.as3commons.org
> > >>
> >
> > --
> > Alex Harui
> > Flex SDK Team
> > Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
> >
> >
>

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