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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:57:28 -0700
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7
From: Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
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It is not about 7 RCs.  The 7th RC just got enough votes and we are going
to promote it to an actual release.

Close to 20 people voted +1 and we got 2 -1s.  As a release manager, I
think this is good enough for a release.

The issue is not blocker since there is an obvious workaround.  And there
are no security implications.

I would rather release now than wait for yet another arbitrary deadline
(4.8.1)

Thanks,
Om
On Oct 19, 2012 8:06 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:

> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these points:
>
> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get more
> involvement?
> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they review
> the dev-list and see this issue?
> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away wit=
h
> a
> follow-up point release
> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to reproduce
> it.
> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apache
> Flex
> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now.
>
> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot.  Sometimes, important bugs get found late in
> the
> game.  Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPMC
> votes
> on an RC8.  However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes and I
> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if it
> isn't handling strings properly.
>
>
> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my last
> > email, that information may be contained on the page to access the
> > Installer.
> >
> > I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the same
> > opinion of Christophe Herreman, it=B4s my opinion too. Where he said:
> >
> > "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead to
> > frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to the
> > users."
> >
> > But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being
> awaited
> > for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apache
> Flex
> > SDK.
> >
> > Erik and Om
> >
> > I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translations o=
f
> > languages available today, and put them separate group with all the
> > messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to make
> it
> > easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you ad=
d
> a
> > new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each
> > language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time.
> >
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Stefan Horochovec
> >
> >
> > 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman <christophe.herreman@gmail.com>
> >
> >> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release often
> and
> >> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right.
> >>
> >> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess.
> >>
> >> +1 (binding)
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> Christophe
> >>
> >> 2012/10/19 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> This issue will be fixed in the next release.
> >>>
> >>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a
> release
> >>> till we get everything perfect.  We will never release anything if we
> >> wait
> >>> to fix every issue that we discover.
> >>>
> >>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security
> >>> implications.  We cannot delay the release any longer especially afte=
r
> so
> >>> many people have voted for the release.
> >>>
> >>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap.  We wil=
l
> be
> >>> making a follow up release soon.  Also, we are shipping with an auto
> >> update
> >>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases for
> >> sure.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Om
> >>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" <
> >>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's
> >> current
> >>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get thi=
s
> >>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with th=
e
> >>>> proposed RC in terms of translations.
> >>>>
> >>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issues a=
re
> >>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems for
> >>> (perhaps
> >>>> a minor part of ) the users.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead =
to
> >>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to
> the
> >>>> users.
> >>>>
> >>>> kind regards,
> >>>> Christophe
> >>>>
> >>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yes...please, release....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez <omarg.developer@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>> Release, release, release!!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -omar
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Stefan,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's why =
I
> >>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adress thi=
s
> >>> and
> >>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into the source
> >>> this
> >>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates, a kind of
> >>> 'vote
> >>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do another RC, =
I
> >>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people will not
> >>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have to do a
> >>>> release.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> EdB
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Erik
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating systems that
> >> have
> >>>>>>> language
> >>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from en_US,
> >> however,
> >>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of the installer
> >> for
> >>>>> en_US.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language to en_US,
> >> the
> >>>>>>>> installation dont work.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese):
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir do CGI.
> >>>>>>>> Criando diret=F3rio do Apache Flex
> >>>>>>>> Criando diret=F3rio tempor=E1rio
> >>>>>>>> N=E3o foi poss=EDvel criar o diret=F3rio tempor=E1rio
> >>>>>>>> Instala=E7=E3o abortada
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1 -
> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png
> >>>>>>>> 2 -
> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png
> >>>>>>>> 3 -
> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png
> >>>>>>>> 4 -
> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem, a time may come
> >>> that
> >>>>>>> affect
> >>>>>>>> a large number of people.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Stefan,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed, I'll look
> >> into
> >>>> your
> >>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they will prove valid
> >> and
> >>>>>>>>> useful.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon, lack of true
> >>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker for this first
> >>>>>>>>> release?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> EdB
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>>>> <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> -1
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment in English, but
> >> when I
> >>>>>>> changed
> >>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to test the
> >> translations,
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> result
> >>>>>>>>>> was not good.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license will be accepted,
> >> just
> >>> no
> >>>>>>> option
> >>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is made the selected
> >>>>> language.
> >>>>>>> Ex:
> >>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my default language.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted a patch
> >> (which
> >>> if
> >>>>>>>>> accepted)
> >>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation of default
> >>> language
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation user's language, so
> >>> when
> >>>>>>> getting
> >>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all texts, some not
> >>>>> translated.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when the Installer is
> >>>> launched
> >>>>>>> on an
> >>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation and the same is
> >>>>> detected
> >>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for translation into
> >>>> English.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher to vote here.
> >>  After
> >>>>> that I
> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Om
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton <
> >>>>> cframpto@adobe.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>>> Director de Tecnolog=EDa
> >>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >>>>> F:  +34 912 35 57 77
> >>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >>>>> http://www.directwriter.es
> >>>>> http://www.avant2.es
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Christophe Herreman
> >>>> http://www.herrodius.com
> >>>> http://www.springactionscript.org
> >>>> http://www.as3commons.org
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Christophe Herreman
> >> http://www.herrodius.com
> >> http://www.springactionscript.org
> >> http://www.as3commons.org
> >>
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>

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