Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D6DFDBDB for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 56094 invoked by uid 500); 22 Oct 2012 13:39:33 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 55741 invoked by uid 500); 22 Oct 2012 13:39:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 55225 invoked by uid 99); 22 Oct 2012 13:39:32 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:39:32 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FRT_ADOBE2,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [85.17.66.185] (HELO mail-out-1.dcube-resource.be) (85.17.66.185) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:39:28 +0000 Received: from [188.189.65.6] (helo=[10.48.61.247]) by mail.dcube-resource.be with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQIDg-00026f-04 for flex-dev@incubator.apache.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:39:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7 References: From: Hans | dotdotcommadot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A403) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <661010FD-FE96-404D-ACE9-ABABECD65ED9@dotdotcommadot.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:38:56 +0200 To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-authenticated-id: hans@dotdotcommadot.com X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi Erik, Sure thing. I will create a ticket a ticket with all of my remarks this evening. Also I had problems with checking out the source code (flex builder says it w= as missing common.swc etc), so maybe I'll create a ticket for this as well, i= f it can be declared as a "bug". Hans On 22 Oct 2012, at 15:18, Erik de Bruin wrote: > Hans, >=20 > Can you please create a JIRA ticket with your "functionality" remarks > (below)? I will start work on this soon after the release of v 1.0, > and having this all at hand in JIRA will help me a lot. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > EdB >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Here is what I found for the functionality: >> - The name of the application looks kinda weird: "InstallApacheFlex". Can= 't we just change this to "Apache Flex Installer", and maybe even put it def= ault in a "Apache Flex" folder (since I think this is only a until, and not r= eally a very important standalone application). >> - The disclaimer button does not perform any action, it is just a link to= the disclaimer. So I believe from a usability viewing point, this should be= a LinkButton instead of a Button, right? >> - I think the "SHOW LOG" button should not be inside the application, but= rather be a NativeMenuItem. >> - For the licenses, is it really necessary to agree on all of them separa= tely? (I think this has been discussed before, but I thought I'd just mentio= n it in case it wasn't). >>=20 >> Also, the design does indeed need to be cleaned up a little bit (the butt= ons don't always rescale -- for instance when you switch to Dutch, the "Inst= all" button says "Install=E2=80=A6" because the button's label isn't rescali= ng). >> If I find the time I will try to have a look at it more and discuss it. >>=20 >> I hope I didn't repeat anything that what was said before too much. >>=20 >> H. >>=20 >> Hans Van den Keybus | dotdotcommadot.com >> Mail: hans@dotdotcommadot.com >> Phone: 0032 (0) 486 16 30 69 >>=20 >> On 20-okt.-2012, at 02:37, Stefan Horochovec wrote: >>=20 >>> Well >>>=20 >>> You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen >>>=20 >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2AlmwX75RqM >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Stefan Horochovec >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> 2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec >>>=20 >>>> Alex >>>>=20 >>>> What AIR version you are running? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> 2012/10/19 Alex Harui >>>>=20 >>>>> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these >>>>> points: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and get m= ore >>>>>> involvement? >>>>>> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they >>>>> review >>>>>> the dev-list and see this issue? >>>>>> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right away= >>>>> with a >>>>>> follow-up point release >>>>>> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to >>>>> reproduce it. >>>>>> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new Apac= he >>>>> Flex >>>>>> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot. Sometimes, important bugs get found late= >>>>> in the >>>>>> game. Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough PPM= C >>>>> votes >>>>>> on an RC8. However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC votes a= nd >>>>> I >>>>>> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door if i= t >>>>>> isn't handling strings properly. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Hello everybody, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my la= st >>>>>>> email, that information may be contained on the page to access the >>>>>>> Installer. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the sa= me >>>>>>> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it=C2=B4s my opinion too. Where he s= aid: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will lead= to >>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex to t= he >>>>>>> users." >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is being >>>>> awaited >>>>>>> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new Apac= he >>>>> Flex >>>>>>> SDK. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Erik and Om >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the translation= s >>>>> of >>>>>>> languages available today, and put them separate group with all the >>>>>>> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, to >>>>> make it >>>>>>> easier to find what should be done the translation, because when you= >>>>> add a >>>>>>> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for each= >>>>>>> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much time. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release >>>>> often and >>>>>>>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I guess.= >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> +1 (binding) >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Om >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay a >>>>> release >>>>>>>>> till we get everything perfect. We will never release anything if= we >>>>>>>> wait >>>>>>>>> to fix every issue that we discover. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security >>>>>>>>> implications. We cannot delay the release any longer especially >>>>> after so >>>>>>>>> many people have voted for the release. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap. We >>>>> will be >>>>>>>>> making a follow up release soon. Also, we are shipping with an au= to >>>>>>>> update >>>>>>>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent releases f= or >>>>>>>> sure. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" < >>>>>>>>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in it's= >>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to get >>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues with= >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious issue= s >>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems fo= r >>>>>>>>> (perhaps >>>>>>>>>> a minor part of ) the users. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will le= ad >>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex t= o >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> users. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> kind regards, >>>>>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Yes...please, release.... >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez : >>>>>>>>>>>> Release, release, release!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> -omar >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan, >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That's w= hy >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adress >>>>> this >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into the sour= ce >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates, a kind o= f >>>>>>>>> 'vote >>>>>>>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do another R= C, >>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people will n= ot >>>>>>>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again). >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have to do a= >>>>>>>>>> release. >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating systems that >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from en_US, >>>>>>>> however, >>>>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of the installer= >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> en_US. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language to en_US,= >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation dont work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir do CGI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diret=C3=B3rio do Apache Flex >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diret=C3=B3rio tempor=C3=A1rio >>>>>>>>>>>>>> N=C3=A3o foi poss=C3=ADvel criar o diret=C3=B3rio tempor=C3=A1= rio >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instala=C3=A7=C3=A3o abortada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 - >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 - >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 - >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 - >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem, a time may co= me >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> affect >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a large number of people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed, I'll look >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they will prove valid= >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon, lack of true >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker for this fi= rst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment in English, but >>>>>>>> when I >>>>>>>>>>>>> changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to test the >>>>>>>> translations, >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not good. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license will be accepted, >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>> option >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is made the selected >>>>>>>>>>> language. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ex: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my default language.= >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted a patch >>>>>>>> (which >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation of default >>>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation user's language, s= o >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all texts, some not >>>>>>>>>>> translated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when the Installer is >>>>>>>>>> launched >>>>>>>>>>>>> on an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation and the same i= s >>>>>>>>>>> detected >>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for translation into >>>>>>>>>> English. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher to vote here. >>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton < >>>>>>>>>>> cframpto@adobe.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira >>>>>>>>>>> Director de Tecnolog=C3=ADa >>>>>>>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >>>>>>>>>>> F: +34 912 35 57 77 >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avant2.es >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman >>>>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com >>>>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>>>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman >>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com >>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- >>>>> Alex Harui >>>>> Flex SDK Team >>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc. >>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Ix Multimedia Software >=20 > Jan Luykenstraat 27 > 3521 VB Utrecht >=20 > T. 06-51952295 > I. www.ixsoftware.nl